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====='''Period 2010-12-01 to 2010-12-31'''=====
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== Hardware ==
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In this issue there is a dedicated section to hardware. There has been no such section in the Community Updates mainly because after the 2008 launch of Neo FreeRunner, there hasn't been continuation to the Openmoko Inc's pioneering phone hardware with (mostly) CC-BY-SA schematics, 100% free software stack and all the other freedom joy... until now.
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=== GTA04 ===
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'''GTA04''' is a project by the long time distributor and hw developer, German company Golden Delicious. The name is loaned from Openmoko project because of the spiritual continuation - GTA01 was the codename for Neo1973, GTA02 was the Neo FreeRunner, and GTA03 was the canceled successor product. Besides offering improved versions of Neo FreeRunner (better battery life, better audio output), they've a complete ''replacement board'' planned to fit an existing Neo FreeRunner case and use the existing display.
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The key details of GTA04 include among else:
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* OMAP3530 ARMv7 CPU
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* UMTS/3G (HSPA)
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* USB 2.0 OTG
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* WLAN, BT, FM transceiver
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* Barometric Altimeter, Accelerometer, Compass, Gyroscope
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* Optionally camera
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Find your GTA04 information at the following addresses:
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* http://www.gta04.org/ - technical: u-boot, kernel, Debian...
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* http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 - shopping page
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* http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04-Early-Adopter - the early adopter program, although already finished
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Latest news:
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* ''gta04-owner'' mailing list founded, although occasionally you will find news also from the openmoko-community list among else; browse the list archives at http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/
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* First engineering sample (GTA04A2) is working in PDA mode (U-Boot in NAND Flash)
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* GTA04A3 is getting final PCB layout fine tuning
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* UMTS (3G) modules have arrived. And GTA04 likely to have 512 MB RAM, 512 MB NAND Flash and 1GHz DM3730 CPU. http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2011-January/000025.html
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Visit the FOSDEM in Brussels, Belgium next weekend (5th/6th of February, 2011) to see GTA04 in action and discuss about it! See http://fosdem.org/2011/ , http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2011 , http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-December/063899.html
  
 
==Distributions==
 
==Distributions==
=Updated Distributions=
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Distributions lists releases and other significant updates in distributions that have some support for the Openmoko devices.
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{{DistributionBox|
 
{{DistributionBox|
Name=QtMoko [v30]|
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Name=Debian GNU/Linux |
Description= Qtmoko is debian+qtopia based distribution for Freerunner. This is a minor update, the changelog is very short:
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Description=[[Debian]] is a universal operating system used on many embedded devices, servers and home computers. Using Debian on the FreeRunner gives access to the huge army of software packaged in the Debian repositories, already compiled for the Neo's ARM(v4) processor. Moreover, one can build one's own source files for programs without having to learn the OpenEmbedded way. For an existing Debian/Ubuntu user, choosing Debian for Neo FreeRunner makes phone a very familiar, trustworthy and flexible place to hack in.<br><br>
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General news:
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<br>
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* Third Openmoko specific Linux 2.6.34 kernel is available. Highlights:
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** Merge from qtmoko-v31 (2.6.34.7 stable patches, GPS suspend patch, resume reason patch)
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** Disable sysrq, unneededEXT4 support, UbiFS support
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** Configuration wishlist items: NFSv4, XATTR for EXT*, CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT, CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING, CONFIG_OPENMOKO_RESUME_REASON
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** Caveats: 1) No updated fso-config-gta02 yet in Debian, get your state files from eg. http://iki.fi/tjyrinki/moko/2.6.34/ 2) X.Org eats all the CPU unless you disable AutoAddDevices or remove extra /dev/input files, 3) Sys paths have changed, so you most probably want to add "om gsm power 1" to /etc/rc.local (and install newest omhacks from pkg-fso if you already haven't)
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* Debian 6.0 is nearing completion! Planned release date is the weekend of FOSDEM, ie. 5/6th of February, 2011. For Neo FreeRunner, the Debian 6.0 status is the following:
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** No Openmoko support in the Debian kernel yet, you need to install one from pkg-fso repository: http://pkg-fso.nomeata.de/sid/allpackages
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** Otherwise you could survive with official, released Debian packages, but you are probably interested...
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*** Newer versions of fso-config-gta02, fso-frameworkd and omhacks in pkg-fso
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*** E17 wasn't released on time for Debian 6.0, so you need to get it from unstable (sid) repositories, or after the Debian 6.0 release from testing (wheezy in case of 7.0) to get for example Zhone software working
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* Omhacks has seen updates to work on 2.6.37 kernel
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* Mokomaze sources were cleaned of non-free files
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<br>
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Screenshot=debian-openlogo-480.png|
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Codename='sid'|
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Homepage=http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
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Image=http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
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Works={{Works on Debian}}
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}}
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{{DistributionBox|
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Name=QtMoko [v30], [v31]|
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Description= Qtmoko is a Debian + qtopia based distribution for FreeRunner.
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v30 is a minor update, the changelog is very short:
 
   
 
   
 
* fixed headset jack detection
 
* fixed headset jack detection
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* battery_platform for dumb batteries as module
 
* battery_platform for dumb batteries as module
 
* force GPS power up on resume (Gennady Kupava)
 
* force GPS power up on resume (Gennady Kupava)
Known Problems:
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*SD-card corruption due to some problems with KMS-patches in v30 kernel|
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v31 is a bigger update:
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* First stable release using the 2.6.34 kernel
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* fixed invisible call button in finximod theme (Joif)
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* translated to French (Gregoire Juge)
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* updated Danish translation (Ole Carlsen)
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* better layout in docked keyboard
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* commented completion strip in docked keyboard
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* VT not switch to graphics which fixes X hang in VT_WAITACTIVE (Gennady+Me)
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* fix QX crash after pause/resume
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* using openssh-server instead of dropbear again|
 
Screenshot=Qtmokomain.png|
 
Screenshot=Qtmokomain.png|
 
Codename='v30'|
 
Codename='v30'|
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{{DistributionBox|
 
{{DistributionBox|
Name=SHR-testing RC1|
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Name=SHR-testing RC1 & RC2|
 
Description= The image is based on the 2010.12 release of OpenEmbedded and has latest  
 
Description= The image is based on the 2010.12 release of OpenEmbedded and has latest  
 
versions of E, SHR and FSO apps.
 
versions of E, SHR and FSO apps.
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* Everything faster ;)
 
* Everything faster ;)
 
* And much more i don't remember
 
* And much more i don't remember
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RC2 added compared to RC1:
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* Default feed is now the correct one.
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* Fixed a bug in the GSM Gadget which caused a segfault of E
  
 
Known Bugs:
 
Known Bugs:
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Image=[http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ download]|
 
Image=[http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ download]|
 
Works={{Works_on_SHR}}
 
Works={{Works_on_SHR}}
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=New Distributions =
 
{{DistributionBox|
 
Name=Distro Name [version]|
 
Description=Here comes some additional text to show you guys, how Template:DistributionBox will behave under heavy load of text. It is copied several times on purpose. This way you can see how layout would looke like if description of distribution is very complex or expanded.Here comes some additional text to show you guys, how Template:DistributionBox will behave under heavy load of text. It is copied several times on purpose. This way you can see how layout would looke like if description of distribution is very complex or expanded.Here comes some additional text to show you guys, how Template:DistributionBox will behave under heavy load of text. It is copied several times on purpose. This way you can see how layout would looke like if description of distribution is very complex or expanded.Here comes some additional text to show you guys, how Template:DistributionBox will behave under heavy load of text. It is copied several times on purpose. This way you can see how layout would looke like if description of distribution is very complex or expanded.Here comes some additional text to show you guys, how Template:DistributionBox will behave under heavy load of text. It is copied several times on purpose. This way you can see how layout would looke like if description of distribution is very complex or expanded.Here comes some additional text to show you guys, how Template:DistributionBox will behave under heavy load of text. It is copied several times on purpose. This way you can see how layout would looke like if description of distribution is very complex or expanded.|
 
Screenshot=System_boot.png|
 
Codename='codename'|
 
Homepage=http://www.homepage.org|
 
Image=[http://www.homepage.org/path/to/ images]|
 
Works={{Works}}
 
}}
 
 
==Applications==
 
 
===New Applications===
 
 
{{ApplicationBox|
 
Name=Exampleapp 0.0.1|
 
Description=Exampleapp 0.0.1 is an application to do some stuff..|
 
Screenshot=System_boot.png|
 
Homepage=http://wiki.openmoko.org/|
 
TestedOn=SHR-Unstable,Om2009T5|
 
PackageName=[http:// www.some.srv/path_to/Exampleapp.ipk Exampleapp]
 
}}
 
 
===Application Updates===
 
 
{{ApplicationBox|
 
Name=Exampleapp 0.0.1|
 
Description=Exampleapp 0.0.1 is an application to do some stuff...
 
* new example feature 1
 
* new example feature 2|
 
Screenshot=System_boot.png|
 
Homepage=http://wiki.openmoko.org/|
 
TestedOn=SHR-Unstable,Om2009T5|
 
PackageName=[http:// www.some.srv/path_to/Exampleapp.ipk Exampleapp]
 
 
}}
 
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Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc..
 
Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc..
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* CELF are seeking embedded project proposals for 2011. Get paid to work on OM/FSO/SHR stuff!!! Ideas thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-December/063924.html
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* Neil Jerram experimented with a Calypso modem driver in oFono, together with telepathy-ring and empathy, to try out FreeRunner's modem with an entirely different stack than FreeSmartphone.Org! http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-December/063927.html
  
 
==Event News==
 
==Event News==
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* '''2011-01-24''' Mobile FOSS MiniConf at LCA2011 announced a [http://mobilefoss.jamespurser.com.au/Call_For_Papers call for papers] that closes on Friday 22nd October 2010. So submit something about OpenMoko today!
 
* '''2011-01-24''' Mobile FOSS MiniConf at LCA2011 announced a [http://mobilefoss.jamespurser.com.au/Call_For_Papers call for papers] that closes on Friday 22nd October 2010. So submit something about OpenMoko today!
  
* '''2011-02-05/06'''  [[Fosdem_2011]] visitors guide for Openmoko related topics started
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* '''2011-02-05/06'''  [[FOSDEM 2011]]. Visitors guide for Openmoko related topics started, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2011
 
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* '''2010-mm-dd''' [http://example.url.xom Example event] | add your event here
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[[Category:Community Update]]
 
[[Category:Community Update]]

Latest revision as of 16:25, 2 February 2011

Contents

[edit] Period 2010-12-01 to 2011-01-31

[edit] Hardware

In this issue there is a dedicated section to hardware. There has been no such section in the Community Updates mainly because after the 2008 launch of Neo FreeRunner, there hasn't been continuation to the Openmoko Inc's pioneering phone hardware with (mostly) CC-BY-SA schematics, 100% free software stack and all the other freedom joy... until now.

[edit] GTA04

GTA04 is a project by the long time distributor and hw developer, German company Golden Delicious. The name is loaned from Openmoko project because of the spiritual continuation - GTA01 was the codename for Neo1973, GTA02 was the Neo FreeRunner, and GTA03 was the canceled successor product. Besides offering improved versions of Neo FreeRunner (better battery life, better audio output), they've a complete replacement board planned to fit an existing Neo FreeRunner case and use the existing display.

The key details of GTA04 include among else:

  • OMAP3530 ARMv7 CPU
  • UMTS/3G (HSPA)
  • USB 2.0 OTG
  • WLAN, BT, FM transceiver
  • Barometric Altimeter, Accelerometer, Compass, Gyroscope
  • Optionally camera

Find your GTA04 information at the following addresses:

Latest news:

Visit the FOSDEM in Brussels, Belgium next weekend (5th/6th of February, 2011) to see GTA04 in action and discuss about it! See http://fosdem.org/2011/ , http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2011 , http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-December/063899.html

[edit] Distributions

Distributions lists releases and other significant updates in distributions that have some support for the Openmoko devices.

Debian-openlogo-480.png Debian GNU/Linux

Debian is a universal operating system used on many embedded devices, servers and home computers. Using Debian on the FreeRunner gives access to the huge army of software packaged in the Debian repositories, already compiled for the Neo's ARM(v4) processor. Moreover, one can build one's own source files for programs without having to learn the OpenEmbedded way. For an existing Debian/Ubuntu user, choosing Debian for Neo FreeRunner makes phone a very familiar, trustworthy and flexible place to hack in.

General news:

  • Third Openmoko specific Linux 2.6.34 kernel is available. Highlights:
    • Merge from qtmoko-v31 (2.6.34.7 stable patches, GPS suspend patch, resume reason patch)
    • Disable sysrq, unneededEXT4 support, UbiFS support
    • Configuration wishlist items: NFSv4, XATTR for EXT*, CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT, CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING, CONFIG_OPENMOKO_RESUME_REASON
    • Caveats: 1) No updated fso-config-gta02 yet in Debian, get your state files from eg. http://iki.fi/tjyrinki/moko/2.6.34/ 2) X.Org eats all the CPU unless you disable AutoAddDevices or remove extra /dev/input files, 3) Sys paths have changed, so you most probably want to add "om gsm power 1" to /etc/rc.local (and install newest omhacks from pkg-fso if you already haven't)
  • Debian 6.0 is nearing completion! Planned release date is the weekend of FOSDEM, ie. 5/6th of February, 2011. For Neo FreeRunner, the Debian 6.0 status is the following:
    • No Openmoko support in the Debian kernel yet, you need to install one from pkg-fso repository: http://pkg-fso.nomeata.de/sid/allpackages
    • Otherwise you could survive with official, released Debian packages, but you are probably interested...
      • Newer versions of fso-config-gta02, fso-frameworkd and omhacks in pkg-fso
      • E17 wasn't released on time for Debian 6.0, so you need to get it from unstable (sid) repositories, or after the Debian 6.0 release from testing (wheezy in case of 7.0) to get for example Zhone software working
  • Omhacks has seen updates to work on 2.6.37 kernel
  • Mokomaze sources were cleaned of non-free files


Codename: 'sid'
Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
Image: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian

Hardware Works
Neo 1973 yes
FreeRunner yes
GTA04 ?
HTC-Dream yes
Other yes


Qtmokomain.png QtMoko [v30], [v31]

Qtmoko is a Debian + qtopia based distribution for FreeRunner. v30 is a minor update, the changelog is very short:

  • fixed headset jack detection
  • Danish translations (Ole Carlsen)
  • GPRS fix (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
  • battery_platform for dumb batteries as module
  • force GPS power up on resume (Gennady Kupava)
v31 is a bigger update:
  • First stable release using the 2.6.34 kernel
  • fixed invisible call button in finximod theme (Joif)
  • translated to French (Gregoire Juge)
  • updated Danish translation (Ole Carlsen)
  • better layout in docked keyboard
  • commented completion strip in docked keyboard
  • VT not switch to graphics which fixes X hang in VT_WAITACTIVE (Gennady+Me)
  • fix QX crash after pause/resume
  • using openssh-server instead of dropbear again


Codename: 'v30'
Homepage: http://www.qtmoko.org
Image: images

Hardware Works
Neo 1973 yes
FreeRunner yes
GTA04 ?
HTC-Dream ?
Other ?


SHR-Logo.png SHR-testing RC1 & RC2

The image is based on the 2010.12 release of OpenEmbedded and has latest versions of E, SHR and FSO apps. Since last testing a lot has changed:

  • Switch to illume2 as illume(1) isn't maintained anymore
  • Switch from ogsmd to much faster fsogsmd
  • Switch to 2.6.34 kernel (without KMS because this causes some problems with SD-cards for some SHR-u users)
  • Everything faster ;)
  • And much more i don't remember
RC2 added compared to RC1:
  • Default feed is now the correct one.
  • Fixed a bug in the GSM Gadget which caused a segfault of E
Known Bugs:
  • There is a problem with the autostart of applications in E, because of that the shr_elm_softkey is not always started.
  • The wizard is only working if you wait until FSO is fully started (When FSO is started the display started dimming). If you don't want to wait that long you can exit the wizard with the "Exit" button and do the configurations in shr-settings afterwards.
Untested:
  • All feed packages not in the full image.
  • All day usage (so GPRS/GPS after several suspends)
Read the full announcement here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-December/063895.html


Codename: 'RC1'
Homepage: http://wiki.shr-project.org
Image: download

Hardware Works
Neo 1973 yes
FreeRunner yes
GTA04 ?
HTC-Dream yes
Other yes


[edit] General News

Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc..

[edit] Event News

  • 2011-01-24 Mobile FOSS MiniConf at LCA2011 announced a call for papers that closes on Friday 22nd October 2010. So submit something about OpenMoko today!
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Period 2010-12-01 to 2010-12-31

Distributions

Updated Distributions

Qtmokomain.png QtMoko [v30]

Qtmoko is debian+qtopia based distribution for Freerunner. This is a minor update, the changelog is very short:

  • fixed headset jack detection
  • Danish translations (Ole Carlsen)
  • GPRS fix (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
  • battery_platform for dumb batteries as module
  • force GPS power up on resume (Gennady Kupava)
Known Problems:
  • SD-card corruption due to some problems with KMS-patches in v30 kernel


Codename: 'v30'
Homepage: http://www.qtmoko.org
Image: images

Hardware Works
Neo 1973 yes
FreeRunner yes
GTA04 ?
HTC-Dream ?
Other ?


SHR-Logo.png SHR-testing RC1

The image is based on the 2010.12 release of OpenEmbedded and has latest versions of E, SHR and FSO apps. Since last testing a lot has changed:

  • Switch to illume2 as illume(1) isn't maintained anymore
  • Switch from ogsmd to much faster fsogsmd
  • Switch to 2.6.34 kernel (without KMS because this causes some problems with SD-cards for some SHR-u users)
  • Everything faster ;)
  • And much more i don't remember
Known Bugs:
  • There is a problem with the autostart of applications in E, because of that the shr_elm_softkey is not always started.
  • The wizard is only working if you wait until FSO is fully started (When FSO is started the display started dimming). If you don't want to wait that long you can exit the wizard with the "Exit" button and do the configurations in shr-settings afterwards.
Untested:
  • All feed packages not in the full image.
  • All day usage (so GPRS/GPS after several suspends)
Read the full announcement here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-December/063895.html


Codename: 'RC1'
Homepage: http://wiki.shr-project.org
Image: download

Hardware Works
Neo 1973 yes
FreeRunner yes
GTA04 ?
HTC-Dream yes
Other yes


New Distributions

System boot.png Distro Name [version]

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Codename: 'codename'
Homepage: http://www.homepage.org
Image: images

Hardware Works
Neo 1973 {{{Neo1973}}}
FreeRunner {{{FreeRunner}}}
GTA04 {{{GTA04}}}
HTC-Dream {{{HTC-Dream}}}
Other {{{Other}}}


Applications

New Applications

System boot.png Exampleapp 0.0.1

Exampleapp 0.0.1 is an application to do some stuff..


Homepage: http://wiki.openmoko.org/
Package: [http:// www.some.srv/path_to/Exampleapp.ipk Exampleapp]
Tested on: SHR-Unstable,Om2009T5


Application Updates

System boot.png Exampleapp 0.0.1

Exampleapp 0.0.1 is an application to do some stuff...

  • new example feature 1
  • new example feature 2


Homepage: http://wiki.openmoko.org/
Package: [http:// www.some.srv/path_to/Exampleapp.ipk Exampleapp]
Tested on: SHR-Unstable,Om2009T5


General News

Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc..

Event News

  • 2011-01-24 Mobile FOSS MiniConf at LCA2011 announced a call for papers that closes on Friday 22nd October 2010. So submit something about OpenMoko today!
  • 2011-02-05/06 Fosdem_2011 visitors guide for Openmoko related topics started