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some may be possible if technology improves in the future, when patents expire, or in othere models.
 
some may be possible if technology improves in the future, when patents expire, or in othere models.
  
=====LASER keyboard (can be a full QWERTY keyboard)=====
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== Storage Devices / Peripherals ==
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=== Floppy Disk Drive ===
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For people stuck in the past who just can't let go of that last 3 and a half inches.
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At least the initial devices will be phones. In a phone this is a bad idea.
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There may be future devices that it would be appropriate in.
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===LASER keyboard (can be a full QWERTY keyboard)===
 
*On the hardware side, this would require a $5 laser diode, a $3 (in bulk) custom diffraction grating, and probably a couple of cubic centimetres volume inside the phone.
 
*On the hardware side, this would require a $5 laser diode, a $3 (in bulk) custom diffraction grating, and probably a couple of cubic centimetres volume inside the phone.
 
*This requires a camera pointable to the front.
 
*This requires a camera pointable to the front.
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There are existing Bluetooth devices that do this. [http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ For example, this one from thinkgeek]. --[[User:Alx|Alx]] 02:28, 29 March 2007 (CEST)
 
There are existing Bluetooth devices that do this. [http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ For example, this one from thinkgeek]. --[[User:Alx|Alx]] 02:28, 29 March 2007 (CEST)
  
== Beverage Aids ==
 
  
===Alcohol Sensor===
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==Power Sources==
Alcohol sensor adjacent to microphone.  It doesn't have to be accurate, just has to detect any amount of alcohol on the speaker's breath.  I understand this is a very narrow market, but alcohol is on every parent's mind.
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I think those who drive cars might profit from this feature too. --[[User:Cedel|cedel]] 16:02, 20 February 2007 (CET)
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===Zero Point Energy Generator===
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Why bother with solar panels and fuel cells if you can have the real thing?
  
:Although this is a good idea, you have to be very careful about liability here. If it gives a false positive (i.e. you're not over the limit), and you have an accident, the OpenMoko team might be liable.
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===Air Breathing Micro Fusion Generator===
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In case the above is not available in small enough sizes
  
===Bottle opener===
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===Radioisotope Battery===
* including a bottle opener is very hard, but could be useful.
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We could have the first mobile with a 100 year standby endurance. Can the shielding, We can all use a little tan.
* [http://www.bokonzept.de/php/images/462.jpg example]
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* It definitely is useful. A metal reinforced corner might be enough. While it is possible to open bottles with most cell phones, they don't look too good after opening a few cases.
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===Cork Screw===
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===V12 Embedded power source===
Every multi-tool has to have a cork screw
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==Disinfection UV-Light==
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We'll need something beefy to power the next Neos for the above gadgets, I propose the use of a [http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ Embeddable Power Source], that with some miniturisation and a bit of design work should be workable as a possible solution.
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[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mutb7KgA9NM] Is almost an appropriate device.
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=== Flux Capacitor ===
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The device needs a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_capacitor flux capacitor] instead of a battery ;)
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: This makes no sense, the flux capacitor is not an energy source but a way to distort timespace. (But that's not saying we don't need one ;-D )
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=== Power over WiFi ===
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Using PoWiFi openmoko-devices could be powered by your pc-wifi-card or wifi-router.
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Charge your mobile at every wlan-ap with no plug-in required.
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Another implementation might be power-over-bluetooth.
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=== Human body's kinetic power ===
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With any of [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Freecharge_portable_charger these devices], especially those [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Freecharge_portable_charger#Balancing_Musculoskeletal_System using human energy], happy Openmoko user will at once become noticeably more mobile. Unlimited travel far avay from casual power sources, this is what it gives.
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== Miscellaneous ==
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=== Disinfection UV-Light ===
 
I had read about it in an Article on http://www.americanairandwater.com/UV-news/. But Motorola patents it.
 
I had read about it in an Article on http://www.americanairandwater.com/UV-news/. But Motorola patents it.
 
Yes - finally a way to stop the billions of annual deaths due to cellphone infections! --[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 14:04, 16 February 2007 (CET)
 
Yes - finally a way to stop the billions of annual deaths due to cellphone infections! --[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 14:04, 16 February 2007 (CET)
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--[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 15:11, 16 February 2007 (CET)
 
--[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 15:11, 16 February 2007 (CET)
  
=====Teleportation=====
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The most efficient germicidal wavelength is at around 260 nm. LEDs at these wavelengths are already available for purchasing, e.g. here: http://www.s-et.com/products.htm - however the cost at this moment is rather high (above $200 per piece; much less in large amounts). The output power is also quite low. However this is likely to improve with time.
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--[[User:Shaddack|Shaddack]] 00:54, 16 July 2007 (CEST)
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===FPGA add-on board===
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Expose the system bus signals to allow easy-ish addition of a daughter board with an FPGA chip. This will allow to leverage a set of projects available at e.g. http://www.opencores.org/ and easily add a wide range of functionality, from high-speed memory-mapped analog inputs (e.g. GNU-Radio, camera (possibly with a hardware MPEG encoder in the FPGA), portable oscilloscope or logic analyzer or multichannel data acquisition unit), to outputs (eg. display drivers for e-paper, framebuffers for TV-out or external monitors - important for e.g. wearable augmented-reality displays), Ethernet controller, mini-PCI card controller, advanced signal processing, cryptographic accelerators, and essentially anything within the limits of the available number of gates in the FPGA chip and available amount of electricity to feed the chip.
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This is very unlikely - for several reasons.
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*Requires a '''large''', relatively expensive connector, able to pass signals at very high speeds.
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*Requires routing from the core logic of the phone to the connector, which makes the PCB more complicated to fabricate.
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*There is no convenient memory bus on the phone.
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--[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 13:58, 15 July 2007 (CEST)
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It is not impossible on very different hardware, but will certainly not appear on a commodity phone.
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Let's consider another way then. What we want here is not necessarily a direct access to the system bus (not seeing the schematics I mistakenly assumed it would be the simplest way) but any kind of high-speed I/O. E.g. MMC card interface in 8 bit mode at 52 MHz seems to be able to achieve data transfer rate of 52 MB/s, CompactFlash maximum data transfer rate can reportedly go up to 133 MB/s (if I read the standards correctly) - more than enough for most applications listed above. Possible?
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--[[User:Shaddack|Shaddack]] 00:54, 16 July 2007 (CEST)
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=== Teleportation ===
 
Implementing a beaming-device to the Neo would make it the first phone enabling teleportation.
 
Implementing a beaming-device to the Neo would make it the first phone enabling teleportation.
 
See: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3811785.stm]
 
See: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3811785.stm]
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(Please get serious. You would obviously need more bandwidth to make this practical. Wifi would be better or at least 3G. maybe you could use Bluetooth with the right compression algorithms.)''
 
(Please get serious. You would obviously need more bandwidth to make this practical. Wifi would be better or at least 3G. maybe you could use Bluetooth with the right compression algorithms.)''
  
=====V12 Embedded power source=====
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(Are you serious? Bluetooth? Please, there's no way that will work. We need at least WiMax or even better, that upcoming Wireless USB standard. l2teleport, please.)
  
We'll need something beefy to power the next Neos for the above gadgets, I propose the use of a [http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ Embeddable Power Source], that with some miniturisation and a bit of design work should be workable as a possible solution.
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(Also cant say i would be too keen about once i am teleported far away my phone is left sitting on the sidewalk.)
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===A neat golden mesh flip-up cover===
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would both make the device look real classy and protect the touch screen when carried in the pocket of skin-tight uniforms of some sort or another
  
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=== All band compatibility ===
  
=====Floppy Disk Drive=====
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*Is it possible to make the phone so it can work on any cell network including the Veriz** network in the USA. Unfortunately, the FCC has allowed network providers to have proprietary phones etc... The way the US system works tends to cheapen the phone itself because there is more money in the selling of service, this tends to foster semi-disposable phones. Don't lose focus, you are in business to  make money selling phones, make really good solid phones and they will be appreciated. My ideal is to be able to go purchase a phone, purchase a service separately, and be able to change services when necessary.
For people stuck in the past who just can't let go of that last 3 and a half inches.
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=====PCMCIA slot=====
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** Unfortunately, this would add significant cost, volume, and weight. And be useless for the majority of worldwide users. In some carriers cases, you simply can't do this anyway, as they won't supply information on their networks, or let you connect to them with your own handset. Different phones for different markets is probably the way to go. Hopefully eventually the carriers will bring out Openmoko phones.
Extensibility would be nice. Standard pcmcia would be great for allowing wireless too. And pcmcia cards tend to be very low power.
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--[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 15:45, 6 May 2007 (CEST)
*1. can be used for a spare battery (is this possible?)
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*3. i can use my [http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php Echo Audio Indigo I/O]
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*2. can be used for different cards around
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This is certain not to happen in a production phone, it's simply far too large, and requires complex support in hardware, which does not exist in most system on a chip devices as are used in phones.  
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===SDR Radio===
Even for the [[Expansion_Back]] it would be too large. --[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 06:05, 28 February 2007 (CET)
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* Advantages
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** Removes the need for ANY other wireless radio in the device
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*** GSM Radio
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*** Wifi Radio
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*** Bluetooth Radio
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*** RFID Radio (may still need a microwave power pump)
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*** FRS Radio
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*** DECT Radio
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*** Etc...
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** Reduce battery consumption by an enormous amount
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** Allows connection to new types of networks with only a software upgrade
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* Disadvantages
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** Experimental?
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** Only one type of wireless network would be accessible at any given time
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*** Solution: Include 2 SDR radios (this would alleviate radio contention)
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** All protocols would need to be coded in software
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*** Solution: Upgrade primary cpu if necessary (additional power costs for a faster cpu are far outweighed by reduction of radios)
  
=== Hard Drive ===
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<hr>
Providing a hard drive, will allow storing music, movies, etc. Add USB storage device capability to use the device as an external hard drive.
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Unfortunately, much of this is incorrect.
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A wideband software radio eats _enormous_ amounts of power in very fast A/Ds and D/As, as well as fast CPUs.
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It's also much more expensive in many cases, due to the large amount of CPU power needed, and the expensive chips and wideband RF devices needed.
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It trades flexibility for hardware signal processing.
  
At least the initial devices will be phones. In a phone this is a bad idea.
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One little filter chip can do billions of operations per second, entirely due to the physics.
There may be future devices that it would be appropriate in.
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Also - there is no open-source GSM stack, and this would in fact be illegal to sell in many countries.
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--[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 20:43, 9 July 2007 (CEST)
  
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== Beverage Aids ==
  
=== Flux Capacitor ===
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===Beer Cooling===
The device needs a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_capacitor flux capacitor] instead of a battery ;)
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=== Power over WiFi ===
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Using PoWiFi openmoko-devices could be powered by your pc-wifi-card or wifi-router.
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Charge your mobile at every wlan-ap with no plug-in required.
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Another implementation might be power-over-bluetooth.
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===Bottle opener===
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Either Rod's filled with liquid nitrogen pop out the bottom or heatpipes attached to a peltier device. for those hot days when your cold one is just a one.
* including a bottle opener is very hard, but could be useful.
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* [http://www.bokonzept.de/php/images/462.jpg example]
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* It definitely is useful. A metal reinforced corner might be enough. While it is possible to open bottles with most cell phones, they don't look too good after opening a few cases.
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==Hardware enhancements==
 
==Hardware enhancements==
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'''Integrate a Hard drive'''<br \>
 
I'm surprised no one thought of this, but its the first modification anyone does to at multi-media device.
 
If an extension is made so that a 1.8" hard drive can be easily added or even made hot swappable, that would be wonderful. It's the next logical step to make this device perfect. I think everyone is missing the fact that if you make the device this flexible, most people will want to keep and store all their content on their device. Its very important that the hdd can be replaced when neccessary, if someone takes times to customize their device exactly how they want it, they will all want the option to add more memory when neccessary without having to buy a completely new device.
 
 
Also, the "pill-shape" look isn't very appealing to the business users, it gives it the impression that this device is only for the younger generation because its so "PSP-like". If you make the buyer's an second  option of a rectangular shape it will more appealing to the business user.
 
  
 
'''Made Hardware Extension/Expansion for the Base Product'''<br \>
 
'''Made Hardware Extension/Expansion for the Base Product'''<br \>
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If the hardware is made as customizable as the software, everyone will have one of these device, from the smallest child to a CEO of a corporation, because it can be made exactly to what the user wants. Market the expansion hardware, no-one will mind paying for the parts as they need them, but they will be very upset about not being able to do want they really want to do with it. No one will even think about looking at other devices. If the "regular joe/jill"  has to buy a new part instead of a whole new device, which do you think he/she will choose?
 
If the hardware is made as customizable as the software, everyone will have one of these device, from the smallest child to a CEO of a corporation, because it can be made exactly to what the user wants. Market the expansion hardware, no-one will mind paying for the parts as they need them, but they will be very upset about not being able to do want they really want to do with it. No one will even think about looking at other devices. If the "regular joe/jill"  has to buy a new part instead of a whole new device, which do you think he/she will choose?
  
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- Modular, able to open and upgrade/add hardware while keeping a micro form factor.
 
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The connectors take up volume, add unreliability, need mechanical fixings, and modules have to be larger than required to allow slight increases in size. --[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 14:47, 17 April 2007 (CEST)
 
The connectors take up volume, add unreliability, need mechanical fixings, and modules have to be larger than required to allow slight increases in size. --[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 14:47, 17 April 2007 (CEST)
  
== All band compatibility ==
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[[Category:Hardware ideas|Unlikely]]
 
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*Is it possible to make the phone so it can work on any cell network including the Veriz** network in the USA. Unfortunately, the FCC has allowed network providers to have proprietary phones etc... The way the US system works tends to cheapen the phone itself because there is more money in the selling of service, this tends to foster semi-disposable phones. Don't loose focus, you are in business to  make money selling phones, make really good solid phones and they will be appreciated. My ideal is to be able to go purchase a phone, purchase a service separately, and be able to change services when necessary. 
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** Unfortunately, this would add significant cost, volume, and weight. And be useless for the majority of worldwide users. In some carriers cases, you simply can't do this anyway, as they won't supply information on their networks, or let you connect to them with your own handset. Different phones for different markets is probably the way to go. Hopefully eventually the carriers will bring out OpenMoko phones.
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--[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 15:45, 6 May 2007 (CEST)
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== Business Card Reader ==
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*This is probably technically difficult if not impossible, maybe you could do it with the embedded camera hardware & software etc...:
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I want to be able to place a business card face down on the the screen, and have the device automatically read the card and enter the info in the contacts.
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** There is no simple way of reading something placed on the screen, for the basic reason that the screen is in the way.
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== Interchangeable Camera Lenses ==
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A camera phone with a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount lens mount] would allow swappable camera lenses and filters.  Camera phones are usually stuck with tiny fixed lenses that don't allow focusing.  Imaging being able to swap out the default lens with one that provides a better focus... or even a zoom! 
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The C-Mount or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-mount T-Mount] would be a good choice.  Both are standard lens mount with many supporting lenses.  Minolta, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, & most other lens manufacturers also have [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/shop/300/Lens_Adapters_Mounts.html mount adapters] for their proprietary lenses. Then share lenses between your camera & cell phone.
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'''Added bonus If you work somewhere that doesn't allow cameras:'''
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The lens could be removed and a blank insert could be screwed in.
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The camera capability would be physically disabled!
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== Different Shapes & Styles ==
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The current shape is great and many people love it (and I myself plan on getting one).  Still, different strokes for different folks & we're allowed to muse about other options.
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===Dump the '''''egg-shaped''''' case design and go '''''rectangular''''' for more screen space===
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*I'm all for devices that look great and have great features - aside from that I really like the current design. Thus I'd like to comment that the design change request is probably not the majority's opinion. [[User:Abraxa|Abraxa]] 00:00, 18 February 2007 (CET)
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There will be many OpenMoko devices, of different designs. --[[User:Speedevil|Speedevil]] 06:19, 28 February 2007 (CET)
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===Clamshell===
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Nuff said
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===Twisting top===
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Perfect for a multi-directional camera phone (for easier self photos & video conferencing)<br />
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[[Image:Kg920phone.jpg]]<br />
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Latest revision as of 03:56, 26 July 2009

These are ideas that are unlikely to be implemented in the neo1973. Some are impossible for any device, some may be possible if technology improves in the future, when patents expire, or in othere models.


Contents

[edit] Storage Devices / Peripherals

[edit] Floppy Disk Drive

For people stuck in the past who just can't let go of that last 3 and a half inches.

At least the initial devices will be phones. In a phone this is a bad idea. There may be future devices that it would be appropriate in.

[edit] LASER keyboard (can be a full QWERTY keyboard)

  • On the hardware side, this would require a $5 laser diode, a $3 (in bulk) custom diffraction grating, and probably a couple of cubic centimetres volume inside the phone.
  • This requires a camera pointable to the front.
  • It requires an integrated stand for the phone.
  • To practically use this, you've got to be 40cm or so away from the phone, which means under 25*20 of text resolution.
  • In software, it's relatively easy to parse the camera output, to find changes in the known laser field.

There are major problems.

  • Patent issues.
  • No tactile response at all, which slows typing.
  • An extra 2cc/6g.

There are existing Bluetooth devices that do this. For example, this one from thinkgeek. --Alx 02:28, 29 March 2007 (CEST)


[edit] Power Sources

[edit] Zero Point Energy Generator

Why bother with solar panels and fuel cells if you can have the real thing?

[edit] Air Breathing Micro Fusion Generator

In case the above is not available in small enough sizes

[edit] Radioisotope Battery

We could have the first mobile with a 100 year standby endurance. Can the shielding, We can all use a little tan.

[edit] V12 Embedded power source

We'll need something beefy to power the next Neos for the above gadgets, I propose the use of a Embeddable Power Source, that with some miniturisation and a bit of design work should be workable as a possible solution.

[1] Is almost an appropriate device.

[edit] Flux Capacitor

The device needs a flux capacitor instead of a battery ;)

This makes no sense, the flux capacitor is not an energy source but a way to distort timespace. (But that's not saying we don't need one ;-D )

[edit] Power over WiFi

Using PoWiFi openmoko-devices could be powered by your pc-wifi-card or wifi-router. Charge your mobile at every wlan-ap with no plug-in required.

Another implementation might be power-over-bluetooth.

[edit] Human body's kinetic power

With any of these devices, especially those using human energy, happy Openmoko user will at once become noticeably more mobile. Unlimited travel far avay from casual power sources, this is what it gives.

[edit] Miscellaneous

[edit] Disinfection UV-Light

I had read about it in an Article on http://www.americanairandwater.com/UV-news/. But Motorola patents it. Yes - finally a way to stop the billions of annual deaths due to cellphone infections! --Speedevil 14:04, 16 February 2007 (CET) It´s just something that flying in my head... It´s not the first "unreal" or "useless" idea. Just for fun! --MookiE 14:51, 16 February 2007 (CET)

More seriously - UV of the required frequency is inherently eye-damaging. Also, as I understand it, there are actually no UV LEDs that will reliably produce 'germicidal' UV. The most expensive - and they are very expensive - ones produce UV of a sort that may kill very susceptible bacteria, but comparatively few. IIRC the LEDs are $20 per. --Speedevil 15:11, 16 February 2007 (CET)

The most efficient germicidal wavelength is at around 260 nm. LEDs at these wavelengths are already available for purchasing, e.g. here: http://www.s-et.com/products.htm - however the cost at this moment is rather high (above $200 per piece; much less in large amounts). The output power is also quite low. However this is likely to improve with time. --Shaddack 00:54, 16 July 2007 (CEST)

[edit] FPGA add-on board

Expose the system bus signals to allow easy-ish addition of a daughter board with an FPGA chip. This will allow to leverage a set of projects available at e.g. http://www.opencores.org/ and easily add a wide range of functionality, from high-speed memory-mapped analog inputs (e.g. GNU-Radio, camera (possibly with a hardware MPEG encoder in the FPGA), portable oscilloscope or logic analyzer or multichannel data acquisition unit), to outputs (eg. display drivers for e-paper, framebuffers for TV-out or external monitors - important for e.g. wearable augmented-reality displays), Ethernet controller, mini-PCI card controller, advanced signal processing, cryptographic accelerators, and essentially anything within the limits of the available number of gates in the FPGA chip and available amount of electricity to feed the chip.

This is very unlikely - for several reasons.

  • Requires a large, relatively expensive connector, able to pass signals at very high speeds.
  • Requires routing from the core logic of the phone to the connector, which makes the PCB more complicated to fabricate.
  • There is no convenient memory bus on the phone.

--Speedevil 13:58, 15 July 2007 (CEST)

It is not impossible on very different hardware, but will certainly not appear on a commodity phone.

Let's consider another way then. What we want here is not necessarily a direct access to the system bus (not seeing the schematics I mistakenly assumed it would be the simplest way) but any kind of high-speed I/O. E.g. MMC card interface in 8 bit mode at 52 MHz seems to be able to achieve data transfer rate of 52 MB/s, CompactFlash maximum data transfer rate can reportedly go up to 133 MB/s (if I read the standards correctly) - more than enough for most applications listed above. Possible? --Shaddack 00:54, 16 July 2007 (CEST)

[edit] Teleportation

Implementing a beaming-device to the Neo would make it the first phone enabling teleportation. See: [2] Possible implementation difficulties might be the lacking teleportation-support in the GSM standard as well as uncooperative mobile service providers that feel uneasy towards innovative technologies...

(Please get serious. You would obviously need more bandwidth to make this practical. Wifi would be better or at least 3G. maybe you could use Bluetooth with the right compression algorithms.)

(Are you serious? Bluetooth? Please, there's no way that will work. We need at least WiMax or even better, that upcoming Wireless USB standard. l2teleport, please.)

(Also cant say i would be too keen about once i am teleported far away my phone is left sitting on the sidewalk.)

[edit] A neat golden mesh flip-up cover

would both make the device look real classy and protect the touch screen when carried in the pocket of skin-tight uniforms of some sort or another

[edit] All band compatibility

  • Is it possible to make the phone so it can work on any cell network including the Veriz** network in the USA. Unfortunately, the FCC has allowed network providers to have proprietary phones etc... The way the US system works tends to cheapen the phone itself because there is more money in the selling of service, this tends to foster semi-disposable phones. Don't lose focus, you are in business to make money selling phones, make really good solid phones and they will be appreciated. My ideal is to be able to go purchase a phone, purchase a service separately, and be able to change services when necessary.
    • Unfortunately, this would add significant cost, volume, and weight. And be useless for the majority of worldwide users. In some carriers cases, you simply can't do this anyway, as they won't supply information on their networks, or let you connect to them with your own handset. Different phones for different markets is probably the way to go. Hopefully eventually the carriers will bring out Openmoko phones.

--Speedevil 15:45, 6 May 2007 (CEST)

[edit] SDR Radio

  • Advantages
    • Removes the need for ANY other wireless radio in the device
      • GSM Radio
      • Wifi Radio
      • Bluetooth Radio
      • RFID Radio (may still need a microwave power pump)
      • FRS Radio
      • DECT Radio
      • Etc...
    • Reduce battery consumption by an enormous amount
    • Allows connection to new types of networks with only a software upgrade
  • Disadvantages
    • Experimental?
    • Only one type of wireless network would be accessible at any given time
      • Solution: Include 2 SDR radios (this would alleviate radio contention)
    • All protocols would need to be coded in software
      • Solution: Upgrade primary cpu if necessary (additional power costs for a faster cpu are far outweighed by reduction of radios)

Unfortunately, much of this is incorrect. A wideband software radio eats _enormous_ amounts of power in very fast A/Ds and D/As, as well as fast CPUs. It's also much more expensive in many cases, due to the large amount of CPU power needed, and the expensive chips and wideband RF devices needed. It trades flexibility for hardware signal processing.

One little filter chip can do billions of operations per second, entirely due to the physics.

Also - there is no open-source GSM stack, and this would in fact be illegal to sell in many countries. --Speedevil 20:43, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

[edit] Beverage Aids

[edit] Beer Cooling

Either Rod's filled with liquid nitrogen pop out the bottom or heatpipes attached to a peltier device. for those hot days when your cold one is just a one.

[edit] Hardware enhancements

Some small hardware enhancement could be cheap, but very useful. Please add your ideas/wishes here:


Made Hardware Extension/Expansion for the Base Product
Market this device like a fully customizable PC;
- create a base device, (which you already did)
- add wifi and bluetooth(absolutely neccesary for any mobile device)
- make expansion hardware, that user can connect to the base hardware, (e.g camera & hdd; gamepad...etc)
- just like a PC the user will choose customizations that sue their needs.
- most important, the expansion hardware should NOT be a peripheral that has ridiculously long cables, it should fit snuggly to the device making it a little thicker than the base device.
- This mobile entertainment generation wants an all-in-one device. They want their cellphone, mp3 player, pda, digital camera(which takes good quality and sized pictures), video player to all fit in their pocket.
- That's why the ipod's hot, but that is why this is hotter, the user can get all those things and upload software to make it better it even better to their personalities.

If the hardware is made as customizable as the software, everyone will have one of these device, from the smallest child to a CEO of a corporation, because it can be made exactly to what the user wants. Market the expansion hardware, no-one will mind paying for the parts as they need them, but they will be very upset about not being able to do want they really want to do with it. No one will even think about looking at other devices. If the "regular joe/jill" has to buy a new part instead of a whole new device, which do you think he/she will choose?

- Modular, able to open and upgrade/add hardware while keeping a micro form factor.


The neo1973 is a phone, to be marketed as a phone. Future devices may be marketed in other ways. The shape and number of buttons is fixed for this device. Minor modifications may happen before it ships in September.

See Expansion Back for expansion thoughts. Extendable devices otherwise simply aren't really possible, unless you make the phone larger than needed.

The connectors take up volume, add unreliability, need mechanical fixings, and modules have to be larger than required to allow slight increases in size. --Speedevil 14:47, 17 April 2007 (CEST)

Personal tools

These are ideas that are unlikely to be implemented in the neo1973. Some are impossible for any device, some may be possible if technology improves in the future, when patents expire, or in othere models.

LASER keyboard (can be a full QWERTY keyboard)
  • On the hardware side, this would require a $5 laser diode, a $3 (in bulk) custom diffraction grating, and probably a couple of cubic centimetres volume inside the phone.
  • This requires a camera pointable to the front.
  • It requires an integrated stand for the phone.
  • To practically use this, you've got to be 40cm or so away from the phone, which means under 25*20 of text resolution.
  • In software, it's relatively easy to parse the camera output, to find changes in the known laser field.

There are major problems.

  • Patent issues.
  • No tactile response at all, which slows typing.
  • An extra 2cc/6g.

There are existing Bluetooth devices that do this. For example, this one from thinkgeek. --Alx 02:28, 29 March 2007 (CEST)

Beverage Aids

Alcohol Sensor

Alcohol sensor adjacent to microphone. It doesn't have to be accurate, just has to detect any amount of alcohol on the speaker's breath. I understand this is a very narrow market, but alcohol is on every parent's mind.

I think those who drive cars might profit from this feature too. --cedel 16:02, 20 February 2007 (CET)

Although this is a good idea, you have to be very careful about liability here. If it gives a false positive (i.e. you're not over the limit), and you have an accident, the OpenMoko team might be liable.

Bottle opener

  • including a bottle opener is very hard, but could be useful.
  • example
  • It definitely is useful. A metal reinforced corner might be enough. While it is possible to open bottles with most cell phones, they don't look too good after opening a few cases.

Cork Screw

Every multi-tool has to have a cork screw

Disinfection UV-Light

I had read about it in an Article on http://www.americanairandwater.com/UV-news/. But Motorola patents it. Yes - finally a way to stop the billions of annual deaths due to cellphone infections! --Speedevil 14:04, 16 February 2007 (CET) It´s just something that flying in my head... It´s not the first "unreal" or "useless" idea. Just for fun! --MookiE 14:51, 16 February 2007 (CET)

More seriously - UV of the required frequency is inherently eye-damaging. Also, as I understand it, there are actually no UV LEDs that will reliably produce 'germicidal' UV. The most expensive - and they are very expensive - ones produce UV of a sort that may kill very susceptible bacteria, but comparatively few. IIRC the LEDs are $20 per. --Speedevil 15:11, 16 February 2007 (CET)

Teleportation

Implementing a beaming-device to the Neo would make it the first phone enabling teleportation. See: [1] Possible implementation difficulties might be the lacking teleportation-support in the GSM standard as well as uncooperative mobile service providers that feel uneasy towards innovative technologies...

(Please get serious. You would obviously need more bandwidth to make this practical. Wifi would be better or at least 3G. maybe you could use Bluetooth with the right compression algorithms.)

V12 Embedded power source

We'll need something beefy to power the next Neos for the above gadgets, I propose the use of a Embeddable Power Source, that with some miniturisation and a bit of design work should be workable as a possible solution.


Floppy Disk Drive

For people stuck in the past who just can't let go of that last 3 and a half inches.

PCMCIA slot

Extensibility would be nice. Standard pcmcia would be great for allowing wireless too. And pcmcia cards tend to be very low power.

  • 1. can be used for a spare battery (is this possible?)
  • 3. i can use my Echo Audio Indigo I/O
  • 2. can be used for different cards around

This is certain not to happen in a production phone, it's simply far too large, and requires complex support in hardware, which does not exist in most system on a chip devices as are used in phones. Even for the Expansion_Back it would be too large. --Speedevil 06:05, 28 February 2007 (CET)

Hard Drive

Providing a hard drive, will allow storing music, movies, etc. Add USB storage device capability to use the device as an external hard drive.

At least the initial devices will be phones. In a phone this is a bad idea. There may be future devices that it would be appropriate in.


Flux Capacitor

The device needs a flux capacitor instead of a battery ;)

Power over WiFi

Using PoWiFi openmoko-devices could be powered by your pc-wifi-card or wifi-router. Charge your mobile at every wlan-ap with no plug-in required.

Another implementation might be power-over-bluetooth.

Bottle opener

  • including a bottle opener is very hard, but could be useful.
  • example
  • It definitely is useful. A metal reinforced corner might be enough. While it is possible to open bottles with most cell phones, they don't look too good after opening a few cases.

Hardware enhancements

Some small hardware enhancement could be cheap, but very useful. Please add your ideas/wishes here:

Integrate a Hard drive
I'm surprised no one thought of this, but its the first modification anyone does to at multi-media device. If an extension is made so that a 1.8" hard drive can be easily added or even made hot swappable, that would be wonderful. It's the next logical step to make this device perfect. I think everyone is missing the fact that if you make the device this flexible, most people will want to keep and store all their content on their device. Its very important that the hdd can be replaced when neccessary, if someone takes times to customize their device exactly how they want it, they will all want the option to add more memory when neccessary without having to buy a completely new device.

Also, the "pill-shape" look isn't very appealing to the business users, it gives it the impression that this device is only for the younger generation because its so "PSP-like". If you make the buyer's an second option of a rectangular shape it will more appealing to the business user.

Made Hardware Extension/Expansion for the Base Product
Market this device like a fully customizable PC;
- create a base device, (which you already did)
- add wifi and bluetooth(absolutely neccesary for any mobile device)
- make expansion hardware, that user can connect to the base hardware, (e.g camera & hdd; gamepad...etc)
- just like a PC the user will choose customizations that sue their needs.
- most important, the expansion hardware should NOT be a peripheral that has ridiculously long cables, it should fit snuggly to the device making it a little thicker than the base device.
- This mobile entertainment generation wants an all-in-one device. They want their cellphone, mp3 player, pda, digital camera(which takes good quality and sized pictures), video player to all fit in their pocket.
- That's why the ipod's hot, but that is why this is hotter, the user can get all those things and upload software to make it better it even better to their personalities.

If the hardware is made as customizable as the software, everyone will have one of these device, from the smallest child to a CEO of a corporation, because it can be made exactly to what the user wants. Market the expansion hardware, no-one will mind paying for the parts as they need them, but they will be very upset about not being able to do want they really want to do with it. No one will even think about looking at other devices. If the "regular joe/jill" has to buy a new part instead of a whole new device, which do you think he/she will choose?


The neo1973 is a phone, to be marketed as a phone. Future devices may be marketed in other ways. The shape and number of buttons is fixed for this device. Minor modifications may happen before it ships in September.

See Expansion Back for expansion thoughts. Extendable devices otherwise simply aren't really possible, unless you make the phone larger than needed.

The connectors take up volume, add unreliability, need mechanical fixings, and modules have to be larger than required to allow slight increases in size. --Speedevil 14:47, 17 April 2007 (CEST)

All band compatibility

  • Is it possible to make the phone so it can work on any cell network including the Veriz** network in the USA. Unfortunately, the FCC has allowed network providers to have proprietary phones etc... The way the US system works tends to cheapen the phone itself because there is more money in the selling of service, this tends to foster semi-disposable phones. Don't loose focus, you are in business to make money selling phones, make really good solid phones and they will be appreciated. My ideal is to be able to go purchase a phone, purchase a service separately, and be able to change services when necessary.
    • Unfortunately, this would add significant cost, volume, and weight. And be useless for the majority of worldwide users. In some carriers cases, you simply can't do this anyway, as they won't supply information on their networks, or let you connect to them with your own handset. Different phones for different markets is probably the way to go. Hopefully eventually the carriers will bring out OpenMoko phones.

--Speedevil 15:45, 6 May 2007 (CEST)


Business Card Reader

  • This is probably technically difficult if not impossible, maybe you could do it with the embedded camera hardware & software etc...:

I want to be able to place a business card face down on the the screen, and have the device automatically read the card and enter the info in the contacts.

    • There is no simple way of reading something placed on the screen, for the basic reason that the screen is in the way.

Interchangeable Camera Lenses

A camera phone with a lens mount would allow swappable camera lenses and filters. Camera phones are usually stuck with tiny fixed lenses that don't allow focusing. Imaging being able to swap out the default lens with one that provides a better focus... or even a zoom!

The C-Mount or T-Mount would be a good choice. Both are standard lens mount with many supporting lenses. Minolta, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, & most other lens manufacturers also have mount adapters for their proprietary lenses. Then share lenses between your camera & cell phone.

Added bonus If you work somewhere that doesn't allow cameras:
The lens could be removed and a blank insert could be screwed in.
The camera capability would be physically disabled!

Different Shapes & Styles

The current shape is great and many people love it (and I myself plan on getting one). Still, different strokes for different folks & we're allowed to muse about other options.

Dump the egg-shaped case design and go rectangular for more screen space

  • I'm all for devices that look great and have great features - aside from that I really like the current design. Thus I'd like to comment that the design change request is probably not the majority's opinion. Abraxa 00:00, 18 February 2007 (CET)

There will be many OpenMoko devices, of different designs. --Speedevil 06:19, 28 February 2007 (CET)

Clamshell

Nuff said

Twisting top

Perfect for a multi-directional camera phone (for easier self photos & video conferencing)
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