# Wishlist/Determine Position

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Another way that might be considered to determine your position is using [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/inertial_navigation inertial navigation]. If you know the position, speed and orientation precisely at a given time and you know all the accelerations and rotations done since that time you can compute the current location. | Another way that might be considered to determine your position is using [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/inertial_navigation inertial navigation]. If you know the position, speed and orientation precisely at a given time and you know all the accelerations and rotations done since that time you can compute the current location. | ||

− | You need both | + | You need both accelerometers, and gyroscopes to determine your position by this method. |

Even disregarding budget, the current devices available are not good enough for this for any more than very short periods (seconds). | Even disregarding budget, the current devices available are not good enough for this for any more than very short periods (seconds). | ||

− | [http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,,764_800_ADXL202,00.html] is the datasheet for an example of the sort of | + | [http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,,764_800_ADXL202,00.html] is the datasheet for an example of the sort of accelerometer that might be put into the neo. |

− | + | Accelerometers have a certain amount of noise. | |

This noise gives you severe positioning errors. An error of only a thousandth of a G gives an uncertainty of velocity of 10mm/s after a second, 1.2m/s after 2 minutes. | This noise gives you severe positioning errors. An error of only a thousandth of a G gives an uncertainty of velocity of 10mm/s after a second, 1.2m/s after 2 minutes. | ||

This is 80m after 1 minute, 8Km after 10 minutes. | This is 80m after 1 minute, 8Km after 10 minutes. | ||

The integrated gyroscopes are around as bad, and drift typically at degrees per minute. | The integrated gyroscopes are around as bad, and drift typically at degrees per minute. | ||

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+ | Accelerometers have also been utilized creatively doing: | ||

+ | * drop detection | ||

+ | * over-engineered pedometers. Nokia have 'sports' mobiles with this feature. | ||

+ | * automatic wakeup |

## Revision as of 22:38, 10 April 2007

## Determine Position

GPS can be used to determine the position with a fair accuracy.

GPS requires you to be able to see the GPS satellites. If you are in a tunnel or on a subway this will not work.

Another way that might be considered to determine your position is using inertial navigation. If you know the position, speed and orientation precisely at a given time and you know all the accelerations and rotations done since that time you can compute the current location.

You need both accelerometers, and gyroscopes to determine your position by this method. Even disregarding budget, the current devices available are not good enough for this for any more than very short periods (seconds).

[1] is the datasheet for an example of the sort of accelerometer that might be put into the neo.

Accelerometers have a certain amount of noise.

This noise gives you severe positioning errors. An error of only a thousandth of a G gives an uncertainty of velocity of 10mm/s after a second, 1.2m/s after 2 minutes. This is 80m after 1 minute, 8Km after 10 minutes. The integrated gyroscopes are around as bad, and drift typically at degrees per minute.

Accelerometers have also been utilized creatively doing:

- drop detection
- over-engineered pedometers. Nokia have 'sports' mobiles with this feature.
- automatic wakeup