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Page goal

I think the functions should be limited to:

1. Orient visitors, as a large fraction of them enter by this page (bookmarkability). We separate between newcomers, users and developers, so 3 boxes here.

2. Announce news and upcoming events. One box.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Earlier Page Design

Earlier page design was a lot better than the current state. Why we changed to this one. We are missing so much here. Specially the new visitors wont be able to get to the all the content that this Wiki has to offer.

Please revert --Kunaldeo 07:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! The wiki maintainers team have agreed that there was too much content on the main page, so we removed much of the content for developpers. Could you please tell us what you are missing on this page? Is there some specific content you would like to see here? We will probably be able to add it in again. --Marko Knöbl 12:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I can figure out everything, but I feel The complete intro section was very useful "Introduction to Openmoko,Meet the original core team, Software Distributions New Framework Initiative License, Why Openmoko?" --Kunaldeo 17:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a link to Why Openmoko in the "New to Openmoko?" box. I think this is a useful page, thanks for pointing this out! Please note that most of the section "Introduction to Openmoko" and the link to "Software Distributions" are still present. On the mailing list some have said that the contents of "Meet the original core team" and "license" are too specific for content of the main page, and I agree with that. I can't say anything about "New Framework Initiative" as I'm not a developer. Probably someone else can check if a link to this page is useful? --Marko Knöbl 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Design notes

Please try to keep these elements in the top part of the screen (above the fold): Page title, motto, welcome statement, objective project definition, product picture, search box (not there yet !).

Please try to keep also on the page (not necessarily above the fold): links to other official information sources (trac, mailing lists, etc.), language chooser, more elaborated mission statement (historical overview), philosophical position, top level navigation within the wiki.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please keep the language chooser on the top of the page.

Consider that not all the people in the world are familiar with English. An only-English wiki is considered as an index of a poor project. Please read my comment on the Translation point.

Thank you

--Panta 22:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

2007.2 link

In the software categories The link to the 2007.2 distribution goes to a picture of the software stack. That is not very appealing. Maybe this link should point to a software description (as the link to ASU, FSO, Qtopia does).

--Feydreva 11:20, 1 August 2008 (ET)

Thanks for pointing this out! I changed the link. --Galadh 22:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nav Bar on left

The Nav bar on the left is out of date, incorrect and has duplications.

Software is linked to a Developers page? There are two community links/ There is a Press Coverage on the left and in the new part What exactly is Technical, the whole site is technical.

There are many more items that make the nav bar on the left confusing, unproductive, incorrect and it needs to be fixed or wacked. Brenda seems to be attached to it or afraid to change it as this has come up before and all we got were lame excuses as to why it is like it is.

Please change it or remove it.

I've made a few suggestions to the sidebar on its talk page. I think this discussion is probably best kept there. --KB Jørgensen 19:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Translations

The continuous updating of pages result as an impossible-to-solve game to people who likes to localize wikie's pages.

Also, people visiting the site, may find outdated pages, thinking the project is dead or not so alive.

Please, consider to use a translation friendly wiki like anwiki (www.anwiki.com) used for build Ulteo's site (www.ulteo.com).

Alternatively, you can consider to find a way to comunicate to guests and translators if a page is outdated or not and put a link to the right english page.

Thank you and excuse my poor english: I can assure you I speak a more correct italian ;) --panta 11:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added language Hindi in the template, but its not getting reflected here. --Kunaldeo 08:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It takes a while for template changes to propagate, the mediawiki engine is not completely synchronous. MinhHaDuong 10:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Love the new design!

Looks great!

Link to Jokes

I think the link to Jokes does not fit the box "New to Openmoko?". People who are new to this project won't get most of these jokes. May I delete this link? --Marko Knöbl 11:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I deem the link frontpage worthy because humor a good way to go deeply to the heart of things that can hardly be said otherwise (but not sidebar worthy of course it is not an essential navigation page). I added the link in that box because it belongs somewhere visible and I had no idea as to where else to put it, so any alternative placement suggestion should be considered. And it is true that even I don't get all the jokes, but newbies should get about half of them if they have the geek hacker subculture. What do you other guys think ? MinhHaDuong 14:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! If we really want this on the main page I'd rather put it into the "for Users" box under "Openmoko community". Would that be okay? --Marko Knöbl 13:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I've just moved it. I hope it's okay.--Marko Knöbl 09:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Boasting freedom

I think it would be a good idea to provide a link near the top where people can learn more about the 'freedom' that's boasted about. Many site visitors (including GNU/Linux users) will not be aware of the benefits and importance of what we mean by "freedom" for software users.

Descripts of "rebuild the house" and linking "open source" to a page about getting source code are ways to get programmers interested, but I think it would be very unlikely for a non-hacker visitor to openmoko.org to discover how giving source code to hackers helps them, and why software freedom affects their lives.

The no-work way to fix this would be to make the big word "free", or an eary mention of "freedom", a link to an existing explanation such as gnu.org's[1] or FSFE's.[2]

When someone has time, this could be replaced with a page on openmoko.org with a more specific explanation of how why freedom is essential for mobile phones and mobile computing, and what benefits this leads to. Ciaran 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Razing Yahoo!'s GeoCities

Content isn't king at Yahoo! (Nasdaq: YHOO). In fact, it may not even be fit to be a jester. It's more like the messenger getting slain, if we go by the struggling online titan's move to close down its GeoCities site.

Believe it or not, a company that is clearly hungry for traffic and pages to populate with ads -- given its 15% revenue slide this past quarter -- is axing a source of free content generation. GeoCities has stopped taking in new registrations, and is advising existing users to move out before the bulldozers come in later this year.

As anyone who has surfed through GeoCities over the years will tell you, an Internet without GeoCities is like a world of celluloid without Keanu Reeves flicks. The absence of GeoCities won't create a cultural void. Few will miss its passing. It's loaded mostly with hobbyist tribute pages, authored by penny-pinching cybersurfers who put up with primitive tools and gaudy ads in exchange for free hosting. Many of the pages were created years ago, and abandoned like bunny rabbits after Easter Sunday, Ugg boots after winter, and anything Reeves did after the first Matrix movie.

Let's not harp on the fact that Yahoo! acquired GeoCities 10 years ago in a deal originally valued at $3.6 billion -- on the pricey side of the dot-com bubble. Everyone was overpaying at the time.

Yahoo!'s real crime was in neglecting its costly municipality. Instead of making GeoCities more attractive and fleshing out its potential as a social destination for niche audiences, Yahoo! appears to have dusted it under the rug as it moved to sell commercial hosting services instead.

Stupid, right? The guy in GeoCities who is showing off his collection of hissing Madagascar cockroaches or the YMCA basketball coach posting game-day snapshots is never going to upgrade to a paid hosting plan. However, a site like GeoCities can still nurture loyalty from its authors and appreciation from folks who stumble on sites put up by like-minded souls. That has to be worth something, right?

Killing GeoCities is just an invitation for bad karma, even if it's already clear that Yahoo! did something to anger the gods several years ago.

Police search for missing sisters

POLICE are becoming increasingly anxious to locate two girls who went missing last week.

Sisters Nicole and Bobbie-Jo Critchley, who are both under the care of social services, are believed to be with their mother somewhere in Stoke-on-Trent.

The pair went missing on Friday, April 17 from an address in Stone and officers have carried out a number of enquiries in the Potteries in the past week.

Twelve-year-old Bobbie-Jo is described as white, slim build, and about 5ft 2ins tall. She has shoulder length blonde hair and was last seen wearing black jeans, black Ugg boots, a black strap top and a black zip-up hooded jacket.

Her sister, 13-year-old Nicole, is also white, of medium build and about 5ft 3ins tall. She has shoulder length dark brown hair and was last seen wearing black jeans, black jumper and a belt.

Sergeant Dave Ingham, of Stone Neighbourhood Policing Unit (NPU), said: "Nicole and Bobbie-Jo have links within the Stoke area as well as in Stafford and while we believe they are with their mother, we are appealing to the public for their help in locating them.

"We would also urge the pair to make

Anyone with information on Nicole or Bobbie-Jo's whereabouts is urged to contact Stone police on 0300 123 4455.

Hunt for Valentines Day girl railway gang attacker

Descriptions

The main suspect is a white girl, aged between 20 and 25 years of age. She had black shoulder length hair, which appears to have been dyed. She’s about 5ft 6in tall, wearing jeans and Ugg boots.

She was also wearing a distinctive cream coloured hooded cardigan, which was received from the scene.

The other woman was wearing a khaki coloured jacket, short skirt and black tights and boots. She is also believed to be a smoker.

Baby Petal sleeps through her first shopping trip in mother Jools Oliver's arms

A shopping trip with a newborn in tow is not the most easy of activities.

But luckily for Jools Oliver her adorable baby Petal slept tightly throughout their short outing to pick up some baby clothes today.

The latest arrival to the Oliver family was kept safe in her car seat as Jools took her into a branch of the U.S. chain Gap, close to their north London home.

With big sisters Daisy and Poppy at school, and proud father Jamie at work, it was just 34-year-old Jools and month-old baby Petal on the trip.

Jools, who has never tried to conform to the celebrity stereotype of yummy mummies, dressed for comfort.

She teamed her velour grey sweatpants with sheepskin Ugg boots, and a pale blue top.

Jools and her chef husband are planning to have yet more children and Jamie has previously said he would consider adopting a son to balance out his 'oestrogen-filled house'.

Personal tools

Page goal

I think the functions should be limited to:

1. Orient visitors, as a large fraction of them enter by this page (bookmarkability). We separate between newcomers, users and developers, so 3 boxes here.

2. Announce news and upcoming events. One box.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Earlier Page Design

Earlier page design was a lot better than the current state. Why we changed to this one. We are missing so much here. Specially the new visitors wont be able to get to the all the content that this Wiki has to offer.

Please revert --Kunaldeo 07:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! The wiki maintainers team have agreed that there was too much content on the main page, so we removed much of the content for developpers. Could you please tell us what you are missing on this page? Is there some specific content you would like to see here? We will probably be able to add it in again. --Marko Knöbl 12:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I can figure out everything, but I feel The complete intro section was very useful "Introduction to Openmoko,Meet the original core team, Software Distributions New Framework Initiative License, Why Openmoko?" --Kunaldeo 17:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a link to Why Openmoko in the "New to Openmoko?" box. I think this is a useful page, thanks for pointing this out! Please note that most of the section "Introduction to Openmoko" and the link to "Software Distributions" are still present. On the mailing list some have said that the contents of "Meet the original core team" and "license" are too specific for content of the main page, and I agree with that. I can't say anything about "New Framework Initiative" as I'm not a developer. Probably someone else can check if a link to this page is useful? --Marko Knöbl 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Design notes

Please try to keep these elements in the top part of the screen (above the fold): Page title, motto, welcome statement, objective project definition, product picture, search box (not there yet !).

Please try to keep also on the page (not necessarily above the fold): links to other official information sources (trac, mailing lists, etc.), language chooser, more elaborated mission statement (historical overview), philosophical position, top level navigation within the wiki.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please keep the language chooser on the top of the page.

Consider that not all the people in the world are familiar with English. An only-English wiki is considered as an index of a poor project. Please read my comment on the Translation point.

Thank you

--Panta 22:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

2007.2 link

In the software categories The link to the 2007.2 distribution goes to a picture of the software stack. That is not very appealing. Maybe this link should point to a software description (as the link to ASU, FSO, Qtopia does).

--Feydreva 11:20, 1 August 2008 (ET)

Thanks for pointing this out! I changed the link. --Galadh 22:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nav Bar on left

The Nav bar on the left is out of date, incorrect and has duplications.

Software is linked to a Developers page? There are two community links/ There is a Press Coverage on the left and in the new part What exactly is Technical, the whole site is technical.

There are many more items that make the nav bar on the left confusing, unproductive, incorrect and it needs to be fixed or wacked. Brenda seems to be attached to it or afraid to change it as this has come up before and all we got were lame excuses as to why it is like it is.

Please change it or remove it.

I've made a few suggestions to the sidebar on its talk page. I think this discussion is probably best kept there. --KB Jørgensen 19:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Translations

The continuous updating of pages result as an impossible-to-solve game to people who likes to localize wikie's pages.

Also, people visiting the site, may find outdated pages, thinking the project is dead or not so alive.

Please, consider to use a translation friendly wiki like anwiki (www.anwiki.com) used for build Ulteo's site (www.ulteo.com).

Alternatively, you can consider to find a way to comunicate to guests and translators if a page is outdated or not and put a link to the right english page.

Thank you and excuse my poor english: I can assure you I speak a more correct italian ;) --panta 11:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added language Hindi in the template, but its not getting reflected here. --Kunaldeo 08:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It takes a while for template changes to propagate, the mediawiki engine is not completely synchronous. MinhHaDuong 10:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Love the new design!

Looks great!

Link to Jokes

I think the link to Jokes does not fit the box "New to Openmoko?". People who are new to this project won't get most of these jokes. May I delete this link? --Marko Knöbl 11:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I deem the link frontpage worthy because humor a good way to go deeply to the heart of things that can hardly be said otherwise (but not sidebar worthy of course it is not an essential navigation page). I added the link in that box because it belongs somewhere visible and I had no idea as to where else to put it, so any alternative placement suggestion should be considered. And it is true that even I don't get all the jokes, but newbies should get about half of them if they have the geek hacker subculture. What do you other guys think ? MinhHaDuong 14:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! If we really want this on the main page I'd rather put it into the "for Users" box under "Openmoko community". Would that be okay? --Marko Knöbl 13:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I've just moved it. I hope it's okay.--Marko Knöbl 09:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Boasting freedom

I think it would be a good idea to provide a link near the top where people can learn more about the 'freedom' that's boasted about. Many site visitors (including GNU/Linux users) will not be aware of the benefits and importance of what we mean by "freedom" for software users.

Descripts of "rebuild the house" and linking "open source" to a page about getting source code are ways to get programmers interested, but I think it would be very unlikely for a non-hacker visitor to openmoko.org to discover how giving source code to hackers helps them, and why software freedom affects their lives.

The no-work way to fix this would be to make the big word "free", or an eary mention of "freedom", a link to an existing explanation such as gnu.org's[1] or FSFE's.[2]

When someone has time, this could be replaced with a page on openmoko.org with a more specific explanation of how why freedom is essential for mobile phones and mobile computing, and what benefits this leads to. Ciaran 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Razing Yahoo!'s GeoCities

Content isn't king at Yahoo! (Nasdaq: YHOO). In fact, it may not even be fit to be a jester. It's more like the messenger getting slain, if we go by the struggling online titan's move to close down its GeoCities site.

Believe it or not, a company that is clearly hungry for traffic and pages to populate with ads -- given its 15% revenue slide this past quarter -- is axing a source of free content generation. GeoCities has stopped taking in new registrations, and is advising existing users to move out before the bulldozers come in later this year.

As anyone who has surfed through GeoCities over the years will tell you, an Internet without GeoCities is like a world of celluloid without Keanu Reeves flicks. The absence of GeoCities won't create a cultural void. Few will miss its passing. It's loaded mostly with hobbyist tribute pages, authored by penny-pinching cybersurfers who put up with primitive tools and gaudy ads in exchange for free hosting. Many of the pages were created years ago, and abandoned like bunny rabbits after Easter Sunday, Ugg boots after winter, and anything Reeves did after the first Matrix movie.

Let's not harp on the fact that Yahoo! acquired GeoCities 10 years ago in a deal originally valued at $3.6 billion -- on the pricey side of the dot-com bubble. Everyone was overpaying at the time.

Yahoo!'s real crime was in neglecting its costly municipality. Instead of making GeoCities more attractive and fleshing out its potential as a social destination for niche audiences, Yahoo! appears to have dusted it under the rug as it moved to sell commercial hosting services instead.

Stupid, right? The guy in GeoCities who is showing off his collection of hissing Madagascar cockroaches or the YMCA basketball coach posting game-day snapshots is never going to upgrade to a paid hosting plan. However, a site like GeoCities can still nurture loyalty from its authors and appreciation from folks who stumble on sites put up by like-minded souls. That has to be worth something, right?

Killing GeoCities is just an invitation for bad karma, even if it's already clear that Yahoo! did something to anger the gods several years ago.

Police search for missing sisters

POLICE are becoming increasingly anxious to locate two girls who went missing last week.

Sisters Nicole and Bobbie-Jo Critchley, who are both under the care of social services, are believed to be with their mother somewhere in Stoke-on-Trent.

The pair went missing on Friday, April 17 from an address in Stone and officers have carried out a number of enquiries in the Potteries in the past week.

Twelve-year-old Bobbie-Jo is described as white, slim build, and about 5ft 2ins tall. She has shoulder length blonde hair and was last seen wearing black jeans, black Ugg boots, a black strap top and a black zip-up hooded jacket.

Her sister, 13-year-old Nicole, is also white, of medium build and about 5ft 3ins tall. She has shoulder length dark brown hair and was last seen wearing black jeans, black jumper and a belt.

Sergeant Dave Ingham, of Stone Neighbourhood Policing Unit (NPU), said: "Nicole and Bobbie-Jo have links within the Stoke area as well as in Stafford and while we believe they are with their mother, we are appealing to the public for their help in locating them.

"We would also urge the pair to make

Anyone with information on Nicole or Bobbie-Jo's whereabouts is urged to contact Stone police on 0300 123 4455.

Hunt for Valentines Day girl railway gang attacker

Descriptions

The main suspect is a white girl, aged between 20 and 25 years of age. She had black shoulder length hair, which appears to have been dyed. She’s about 5ft 6in tall, wearing jeans and Ugg boots.

She was also wearing a distinctive cream coloured hooded cardigan, which was received from the scene.

The other woman was wearing a khaki coloured jacket, short skirt and black tights and boots. She is also believed to be a smoker.

Baby Petal sleeps through her first shopping trip in mother Jools Oliver's arms

A shopping trip with a newborn in tow is not the most easy of activities.

But luckily for Jools Oliver her adorable baby Petal slept tightly throughout their short outing to pick up some baby clothes today.

The latest arrival to the Oliver family was kept safe in her car seat as Jools took her into a branch of the U.S. chain Gap, close to their north London home.

With big sisters Daisy and Poppy at school, and proud father Jamie at work, it was just 34-year-old Jools and month-old baby Petal on the trip.

Jools, who has never tried to conform to the celebrity stereotype of yummy mummies, dressed for comfort.

She teamed her velour grey sweatpants with sheepskin Ugg boots, and a pale blue top.

Jools and her chef husband are planning to have yet more children and Jamie has previously said he would consider adopting a son to balance out his 'oestrogen-filled house'.