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Page goal

I think the functions should be limited to:

1. Orient visitors, as a large fraction of them enter by this page (bookmarkability). We separate between newcomers, users and developers, so 3 boxes here.

2. Announce news and upcoming events. One box.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Earlier Page Design

Earlier page design was a lot better than the current state. Why we changed to this one. We are missing so much here. Specially the new visitors wont be able to get to the all the content that this Wiki has to offer.

Please revert --Kunaldeo 07:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! The wiki maintainers team have agreed that there was too much content on the main page, so we removed much of the content for developpers. Could you please tell us what you are missing on this page? Is there some specific content you would like to see here? We will probably be able to add it in again. --Marko Knöbl 12:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I can figure out everything, but I feel The complete intro section was very useful "Introduction to Openmoko,Meet the original core team, Software Distributions New Framework Initiative License, Why Openmoko?" --Kunaldeo 17:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a link to Why Openmoko in the "New to Openmoko?" box. I think this is a useful page, thanks for pointing this out! Please note that most of the section "Introduction to Openmoko" and the link to "Software Distributions" are still present. On the mailing list some have said that the contents of "Meet the original core team" and "license" are too specific for content of the main page, and I agree with that. I can't say anything about "New Framework Initiative" as I'm not a developer. Probably someone else can check if a link to this page is useful? --Marko Knöbl 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Design notes

Please try to keep these elements in the top part of the screen (above the fold): Page title, motto, welcome statement, objective project definition, product picture, search box (not there yet !).

Please try to keep also on the page (not necessarily above the fold): links to other official information sources (trac, mailing lists, etc.), language chooser, more elaborated mission statement (historical overview), philosophical position, top level navigation within the wiki.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please keep the language chooser on the top of the page.

Consider that not all the people in the world are familiar with English. An only-English wiki is considered as an index of a poor project. Please read my comment on the Translation point.

Thank you

--Panta 22:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

2007.2 link

In the software categories The link to the 2007.2 distribution goes to a picture of the software stack. That is not very appealing. Maybe this link should point to a software description (as the link to ASU, FSO, Qtopia does).

--Feydreva 11:20, 1 August 2008 (ET)

Thanks for pointing this out! I changed the link. --Galadh 22:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nav Bar on left

The Nav bar on the left is out of date, incorrect and has duplications.

Software is linked to a Developers page? There are two community links/ There is a Press Coverage on the left and in the new part What exactly is Technical, the whole site is technical.

There are many more items that make the nav bar on the left confusing, unproductive, incorrect and it needs to be fixed or wacked. Brenda seems to be attached to it or afraid to change it as this has come up before and all we got were lame excuses as to why it is like it is.

Please change it or remove it.

I've made a few suggestions to the sidebar on its talk page. I think this discussion is probably best kept there. --KB Jørgensen 19:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Translations

The continuous updating of pages result as an impossible-to-solve game to people who likes to localize wikie's pages.

Also, people visiting the site, may find outdated pages, thinking the project is dead or not so alive.

Please, consider to use a translation friendly wiki like anwiki (www.anwiki.com) used for build Ulteo's site (www.ulteo.com).

Alternatively, you can consider to find a way to comunicate to guests and translators if a page is outdated or not and put a link to the right english page.

Thank you and excuse my poor english: I can assure you I speak a more correct italian ;) --panta 11:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added language Hindi in the template, but its not getting reflected here. --Kunaldeo 08:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It takes a while for template changes to propagate, the mediawiki engine is not completely synchronous. MinhHaDuong 10:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Love the new design!

Looks great!

Link to Jokes

I think the link to Jokes does not fit the box "New to Openmoko?". People who are new to this project won't get most of these jokes. May I delete this link? --Marko Knöbl 11:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I deem the link frontpage worthy because humor a good way to go deeply to the heart of things that can hardly be said otherwise (but not sidebar worthy of course it is not an essential navigation page). I added the link in that box because it belongs somewhere visible and I had no idea as to where else to put it, so any alternative placement suggestion should be considered. And it is true that even I don't get all the jokes, but newbies should get about half of them if they have the geek hacker subculture. What do you other guys think ? MinhHaDuong 14:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! If we really want this on the main page I'd rather put it into the "for Users" box under "Openmoko community". Would that be okay? --Marko Knöbl 13:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I've just moved it. I hope it's okay.--Marko Knöbl 09:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Boasting freedom

I think it would be a good idea to provide a link near the top where people can learn more about the 'freedom' that's boasted about. Many site visitors (including GNU/Linux users) will not be aware of the benefits and importance of what we mean by "freedom" for software users.

Descripts of "rebuild the house" and linking "open source" to a page about getting source code are ways to get programmers interested, but I think it would be very unlikely for a non-hacker visitor to openmoko.org to discover how giving source code to hackers helps them, and why software freedom affects their lives.

The no-work way to fix this would be to make the big word "free", or an eary mention of "freedom", a link to an existing explanation such as gnu.org's[1] or FSFE's.[2]

When someone has time, this could be replaced with a page on openmoko.org with a more specific explanation of how why freedom is essential for mobile phones and mobile computing, and what benefits this leads to. Ciaran 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Eliza Dushku Is All Dolled Up

Eliza Dushku is all dolled up at the Dollhouse event during Paley Fest 09 on Wednesday (April 15) in Hollywood. (She wore a Moschino Cheap and Chic lilac sleeveless dress with tie died grosgrain straps and crystal beading.)

The 28-year-old actress was recently featured in Allure magazine with four other women as part of the magazine’s annual nude issue. “I grew up with three brothers, and I was never shy about covering up,” Eliza said. “It got to the point where my mom was like, ‘OK, honey, it’s time to put some clothes on now.’”

These days, Eliza says, “I’ll strip down to my underwear and my ugg boots when I eat lunch in my trailer.” She also shared about filming intimate scenes. “Love scenes are much more multidimensional, because often you have two people who have just met and you’re rolling around, and it’s more awkward than when you’re posing alone.”

30+ pictures inside of Eliza Dushku as all dolled up…

Oxnard College offers free English classes for workers

Oxnard College is offering free English classes for workers at local businesses.

The idea is to teach employees the English they need to do their jobs, said Christopher Jones, project director. So a hotel might request a class focusing on housekeeping terms. Or a hospital could offer a class on medical terms.

“The gist of this program is vocational,” Jones said.

The college received a $399,000, two-year grant from the chancellor of the California Community College System to start the pilot program, which has 400 spaces available.

The classes are for people already working at a company, as well as for those who want to get a job but need to improve their English, Jones said. The classes can be held right at the company.

So far, two companies have signed up — Catalytic Solutions Inc. in Oxnard, which makes catalytic converters, and Deckers Outdoor Corp. in Camarillo and Ventura.

Deckers, which markets ugg boots and Teva sandals as well as other products, has about 30 people in the classes, said Lou Flores, human resources manager.

The company signed up for the program because it wanted to improve communication between workers and managers, he said.

“Our manager likes to go out on the floor and talk to people directly,” Flores said. “We also wanted to give employees opportunities to take new positions. We look at it as an opportunity for both the employees and for us.”

Before starting a class, Jones and an instructor visit the company and ask for a list of items the employer wants workers to learn. The schedule is flexible, but generally it involves two-hour classes, twice a week, over 12 weeks.

Personal tools

Page goal

I think the functions should be limited to:

1. Orient visitors, as a large fraction of them enter by this page (bookmarkability). We separate between newcomers, users and developers, so 3 boxes here.

2. Announce news and upcoming events. One box.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Earlier Page Design

Earlier page design was a lot better than the current state. Why we changed to this one. We are missing so much here. Specially the new visitors wont be able to get to the all the content that this Wiki has to offer.

Please revert --Kunaldeo 07:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! The wiki maintainers team have agreed that there was too much content on the main page, so we removed much of the content for developpers. Could you please tell us what you are missing on this page? Is there some specific content you would like to see here? We will probably be able to add it in again. --Marko Knöbl 12:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I can figure out everything, but I feel The complete intro section was very useful "Introduction to Openmoko,Meet the original core team, Software Distributions New Framework Initiative License, Why Openmoko?" --Kunaldeo 17:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a link to Why Openmoko in the "New to Openmoko?" box. I think this is a useful page, thanks for pointing this out! Please note that most of the section "Introduction to Openmoko" and the link to "Software Distributions" are still present. On the mailing list some have said that the contents of "Meet the original core team" and "license" are too specific for content of the main page, and I agree with that. I can't say anything about "New Framework Initiative" as I'm not a developer. Probably someone else can check if a link to this page is useful? --Marko Knöbl 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Design notes

Please try to keep these elements in the top part of the screen (above the fold): Page title, motto, welcome statement, objective project definition, product picture, search box (not there yet !).

Please try to keep also on the page (not necessarily above the fold): links to other official information sources (trac, mailing lists, etc.), language chooser, more elaborated mission statement (historical overview), philosophical position, top level navigation within the wiki.

--MinhHaDuong 10:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please keep the language chooser on the top of the page.

Consider that not all the people in the world are familiar with English. An only-English wiki is considered as an index of a poor project. Please read my comment on the Translation point.

Thank you

--Panta 22:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

2007.2 link

In the software categories The link to the 2007.2 distribution goes to a picture of the software stack. That is not very appealing. Maybe this link should point to a software description (as the link to ASU, FSO, Qtopia does).

--Feydreva 11:20, 1 August 2008 (ET)

Thanks for pointing this out! I changed the link. --Galadh 22:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nav Bar on left

The Nav bar on the left is out of date, incorrect and has duplications.

Software is linked to a Developers page? There are two community links/ There is a Press Coverage on the left and in the new part What exactly is Technical, the whole site is technical.

There are many more items that make the nav bar on the left confusing, unproductive, incorrect and it needs to be fixed or wacked. Brenda seems to be attached to it or afraid to change it as this has come up before and all we got were lame excuses as to why it is like it is.

Please change it or remove it.

I've made a few suggestions to the sidebar on its talk page. I think this discussion is probably best kept there. --KB Jørgensen 19:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Translations

The continuous updating of pages result as an impossible-to-solve game to people who likes to localize wikie's pages.

Also, people visiting the site, may find outdated pages, thinking the project is dead or not so alive.

Please, consider to use a translation friendly wiki like anwiki (www.anwiki.com) used for build Ulteo's site (www.ulteo.com).

Alternatively, you can consider to find a way to comunicate to guests and translators if a page is outdated or not and put a link to the right english page.

Thank you and excuse my poor english: I can assure you I speak a more correct italian ;) --panta 11:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added language Hindi in the template, but its not getting reflected here. --Kunaldeo 08:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It takes a while for template changes to propagate, the mediawiki engine is not completely synchronous. MinhHaDuong 10:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Love the new design!

Looks great!

Link to Jokes

I think the link to Jokes does not fit the box "New to Openmoko?". People who are new to this project won't get most of these jokes. May I delete this link? --Marko Knöbl 11:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I deem the link frontpage worthy because humor a good way to go deeply to the heart of things that can hardly be said otherwise (but not sidebar worthy of course it is not an essential navigation page). I added the link in that box because it belongs somewhere visible and I had no idea as to where else to put it, so any alternative placement suggestion should be considered. And it is true that even I don't get all the jokes, but newbies should get about half of them if they have the geek hacker subculture. What do you other guys think ? MinhHaDuong 14:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! If we really want this on the main page I'd rather put it into the "for Users" box under "Openmoko community". Would that be okay? --Marko Knöbl 13:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I've just moved it. I hope it's okay.--Marko Knöbl 09:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Boasting freedom

I think it would be a good idea to provide a link near the top where people can learn more about the 'freedom' that's boasted about. Many site visitors (including GNU/Linux users) will not be aware of the benefits and importance of what we mean by "freedom" for software users.

Descripts of "rebuild the house" and linking "open source" to a page about getting source code are ways to get programmers interested, but I think it would be very unlikely for a non-hacker visitor to openmoko.org to discover how giving source code to hackers helps them, and why software freedom affects their lives.

The no-work way to fix this would be to make the big word "free", or an eary mention of "freedom", a link to an existing explanation such as gnu.org's[1] or FSFE's.[2]

When someone has time, this could be replaced with a page on openmoko.org with a more specific explanation of how why freedom is essential for mobile phones and mobile computing, and what benefits this leads to. Ciaran 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Eliza Dushku Is All Dolled Up

Eliza Dushku is all dolled up at the Dollhouse event during Paley Fest 09 on Wednesday (April 15) in Hollywood. (She wore a Moschino Cheap and Chic lilac sleeveless dress with tie died grosgrain straps and crystal beading.)

The 28-year-old actress was recently featured in Allure magazine with four other women as part of the magazine’s annual nude issue. “I grew up with three brothers, and I was never shy about covering up,” Eliza said. “It got to the point where my mom was like, ‘OK, honey, it’s time to put some clothes on now.’”

These days, Eliza says, “I’ll strip down to my underwear and my ugg boots when I eat lunch in my trailer.” She also shared about filming intimate scenes. “Love scenes are much more multidimensional, because often you have two people who have just met and you’re rolling around, and it’s more awkward than when you’re posing alone.”

30+ pictures inside of Eliza Dushku as all dolled up…

Oxnard College offers free English classes for workers

Oxnard College is offering free English classes for workers at local businesses.

The idea is to teach employees the English they need to do their jobs, said Christopher Jones, project director. So a hotel might request a class focusing on housekeeping terms. Or a hospital could offer a class on medical terms.

“The gist of this program is vocational,” Jones said.

The college received a $399,000, two-year grant from the chancellor of the California Community College System to start the pilot program, which has 400 spaces available.

The classes are for people already working at a company, as well as for those who want to get a job but need to improve their English, Jones said. The classes can be held right at the company.

So far, two companies have signed up — Catalytic Solutions Inc. in Oxnard, which makes catalytic converters, and Deckers Outdoor Corp. in Camarillo and Ventura.

Deckers, which markets ugg boots and Teva sandals as well as other products, has about 30 people in the classes, said Lou Flores, human resources manager.

The company signed up for the program because it wanted to improve communication between workers and managers, he said.

“Our manager likes to go out on the floor and talk to people directly,” Flores said. “We also wanted to give employees opportunities to take new positions. We look at it as an opportunity for both the employees and for us.”

Before starting a class, Jones and an instructor visit the company and ask for a list of items the employer wants workers to learn. The schedule is flexible, but generally it involves two-hour classes, twice a week, over 12 weeks.