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		+	# [[User:Tlhonmey\|tlhonmey]] October 2012 - It's been four years since CDMA was called "dying" and there are still a number of carriers that don't support anything else. The settings having to be programmed by the service provider seems rather trivial on an open hardware phone where, worst-case, a user could replace the CDMA module entirely if a provider decided to be a jerk.
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 On a related note: The smaller CDMA carriers might be more open to selling unlocked phones to their perspective consumers.  Just a thought; not sure about how realistic it would be to be able to change between CDMA carriers.  Just a thought on potentially expanding the distribution of OpenMoko.
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 Open Cell phones (hardware and software), unlocked cell phone, carrier independences, etcetera  can be consider to be  a disruptive technology or at a minimum and evolutionary step.  In my humble opinion this would give the complacent cellular world a much needed kick in the pants.
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 # [[User:Carpy|Carpy]] - 11/13/2008 - Sprint.  Currently using an Instinct.  Really wanting a Linux-based Sprint phone like the Instinct.
 # [[User:Leptogenesis|Leptogenesis]] - 11/21/2008 - Currently using Verizon, and would very much like to use OpenMoko.  Does anyone know what happened to the "Any apps, Any Device" deal that Verizon promised would happen in 2008?  If Openmoko supported CDMA, would it actually be possible to use it on Verizon's network?
-#[[User:tburn|pete]] With respect to CDMA and it's relevance in the market is un-important; since some consider it a dying / dead technology.  Now for the record there are some of the largest carriers use CDMA and some are migrating to GSM.  However, there are several smaller companies that offer cellular service at reduced cost using CDMA.  Here is a short list of CDMA carriers: ''US Cellular, Cricket Communications, Virgin Mobile, Boost Mobile''.  Since these smaller carriers use CDMA they can under cut prices for cellular services.  By reducing prices in the market for cellular service; GSM companies are forced to compete with price.  These independent companies are putting price pressure on the larger companies; so in effect by supporting  CDMA will put pressure on GSM companies to reduce prices.  Just for reference purposes; please check out some of the pricing plans for the 3 CDMA carriers that I have listed.  You will note that  there are unlimited calling packages for $30 USD and up.  The debate between causation verse correlation can be brought into the picture; however, I will leave this topic with the thought that there is a strong  correlation; with the strong disclaimer: Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations notes that competition brings efficiencies and reduction in costs in the market place.  In addition  by supporting more carries we will in effect support competition in the cellular markets and reduce the effects of the monopolies and oligopoly.  I can say one thing for certain.  There is a major convergence of Cellular companies (Oligopolies); which will lead to less efficiencies and higher prices in the US.  One final thought; OpenMoko will be able to sell more phone to more people for use on more networks.  End result; you will be pushing the adoption of using unlocked, vendor & carrier independent phones in the market place.  Sorry, about my long winded pseudo dissertation on market forces and economics.   Here is one link to CDMA providers here in the US [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers]
+#[[User:tburn|pete]] With respect to CDMA and it's relevance in the market is un-important; since some consider it a dying / dead technology.  Now for the record there are some of the largest carriers use CDMA and some are migrating to GSM.  However, there are several smaller companies that offer cellular service at reduced cost using CDMA.  Here is a short list of CDMA carriers: ''US Cellular, Cricket Communications, Virgin Mobile, Boost Mobile''.  Since these smaller carriers use CDMA they can under cut prices for cellular services.  By reducing prices in the market for cellular service; GSM companies are forced to compete with price.  These independent companies are putting price pressure on the larger companies; so in effect by supporting  CDMA will put pressure on GSM companies to reduce prices.  Just for reference purposes; please check out some of the pricing plans for the 3 CDMA carriers that I have listed.  You will note that  there are unlimited calling packages for $30 USD and up.  The debate between causation verse correlation can be brought into the picture; however, I will leave this topic with the thought that there is a strong  correlation; with the strong disclaimer: Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations notes that competition brings efficiencies and reduction in costs in the market place.  In addition  by supporting more carries we will in effect support competition in the cellular markets and reduce the effects of the monopolies and oligopoly.  I can say one thing for certain.  There is a major convergence of Cellular companies (Oligopolies); which will lead to less efficiencies and higher prices in the US.  One final thought; OpenMoko will be able to sell more phone to more people for use on more networks.  End result; you will be pushing the adoption of using unlocked, vendor & carrier independent phones in the market place.    Here is one link to various providers with support for CDMA and other cellular technologies here in the US [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers]
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 # [[User:Carpy|Carpy]] - 11/13/2008 - Sprint.  Currently using an Instinct.  Really wanting a Linux-based Sprint phone like the Instinct.
 # [[User:Leptogenesis|Leptogenesis]] - 11/21/2008 - Currently using Verizon, and would very much like to use OpenMoko.  Does anyone know what happened to the "Any apps, Any Device" deal that Verizon promised would happen in 2008?  If Openmoko supported CDMA, would it actually be possible to use it on Verizon's network?
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 If you notice
 http://investor.verizon.com/news/view.aspx?NewsID=872 and belive me that "LTE is a GSM technology," it does not seem like CDMA is going to be around for much longer. That is, unless you consider that the OFDMA based LTE has as much technical connection to TDMA (GSM) as to CDMA, so chips can be and are being developed to adapt it to both lines of development. Anyone with Verizon should probably just wait until the switch is made. Unless you consider that there will be both (CDMA) EV-DO based, and W-CDMA (UTMS/HSPA) based LTE phones on the market as seen here: http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/15692/qualcomm-embraces-lte
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 # [[User:slick666|slick666]] June 26th 2008 - I would definitely be interested in a CDMA phone. I'm currently on Verizon Wireless in the USA as well as many of my friends and family so to have an Openmoko on CDMA would be a definite sell for me.
 # [[User:Mjpatey|Mjpatey]] 23:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC) - Very interested!  I think you'll find that, though Verizon is very closed and proprietary, they have a lot of customers.  To ignore them on an ideological basis seems self-defeating.
 # [[User:BillMcGonigle|Bill McGonigle]] 2008-07-15 - In the US, with Verizon at least, if you want to change phones, you call a toll-free number and give the operator the ESN.  That's it.  I'm not sure that's such a terrible affront to freedom, despite being a minor inconvenience.  The phone itself can do anything - both Windows Mobile and PalmOS phone are available that are completely unrestricted.  Due to poor penetration of 3GPP in the US, not supporting CDMA probably reduces the addressable market by about 40%.  LTE will start to ease this in perhaps four years.  Until then, lots of folks won't be hacking on Openmoko who otherwise could be.
 # [[User:clovis|clovis]] - 8/10/2008 - Where I live in the states T-Mobile is not available, and the only other (major) GSM carrier we have here is AT&T, and I can't in good conscience give my money to them, what with the constant invasion of privacy and all. So I'm stuck. Otherwise I'd buy a FreeRunner today. A CDMA Openmoko phone would be quite welcome.

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 #[[User:NeoSpawn|NeoSpawn]] -- Being a current Verizon wireless user, they use a CDMA system, and so I would very much buy Openmoko if it is a phone that I have full access. This would be unheard of, and honestly I think this would take off like a wildfire
 #[[User:dyous87|dyous87]] -- CDMA support for carriers such as Verizon wireless is all I would need to get this phone. If this comes out I would get it without having to think twice.
 #[[User:SteveoSupremo|SteveoSupremo]] -- I am willing and able to do hardware design. And if FIC wants it I will sign a NDA.
 # [[User:Ryuch|Ryuch]] 06:48, 26 October 2007 (CEST)
 # [[User:xphoenix|Andronov Philipp]] 27 October 2007 it would be greate to have CDMA smartphone
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 # [[User:derekv|derekv]] March 22nd, 08 - Verizon Customer, I get good service with Verizon but their selection of phones is terrible.  At the moment they only have one linux based phone, which is their cdma/gsm "worldphone".  I'm curious to see how this "any device" thing is going to pan out.  It could change everything.  Having not looked at the hardware design, would it be possible for a phone to be configurable for different networks by having hardware modules?  Even if the phone had to be taken apart, it would allow you to switch networks and travel more easily, as well as upgrade, while not having to pay for networks you don't want -- ideally -- perhaps -- maybe --
 # [[User:sarumont|sarumont]] March 24th, 2008 - I'm currently a Sprint customer and I would LOVE a CDMA version of this phone.  My HTC Touch is horrible, but the GSM carriers in the US are worse.
 # [[User:heathhey|heathhey]] April 14th 2008 - I would gladly pay $600 for a cdma freerunner. I am moving to a rural area that is only serviced by CDMA carriers (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel). I'm currently trying to decide which of verizon's terrible phones I want to be saddled with for the next two years, and I would much rather it be the FreeRunner.
 # [[User:wldtazm4|wldtazm4]] April 20th 2008 - I would be so happy if they opened it up for cdma I love verizon, but they don't have any phones that I like. this phone is an awsome phone by the looks of it...free runner all the way!
 # [[User:5m0k3|5m0k3]] May 11th 2008 - Alltel
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 # [[User:slick666|slick666]] June 26th 2008 - I would definitely be interested in a CDMA phone. I'm currently on Verizon Wireless in the USA as well as many of my friends and family so to have an Openmoko on CDMA would be a definite sell for me.
 # [[User:Mjpatey|Mjpatey]] 23:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC) - Very interested!  I think you'll find that, though Verizon is very closed and proprietary, they have a lot of customers.  To ignore them on an ideological basis seems self-defeating.
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 # [[User:BillMcGonigle|Bill McGonigle]] 2008-07-15 - In the US, with Verizon at least, if you want to change phones, you call a toll-free number and give the operator the ESN.  That's it.  I'm not sure that's such a terrible affront to freedom, despite being a minor inconvenience.  The phone itself can do anything - both Windows Mobile and PalmOS phone are available that are completely unrestricted.  Due to poor penetration of 3GPP in the US, not supporting CDMA probably reduces the addressable market by about 40%.  LTE will start to ease this in perhaps four years.  Until then, lots of folks won't be hacking on Openmoko who otherwise could be.
 # [[User:clovis|clovis]] - 8/10/2008 - Where I live in the states T-Mobile is not available, and the only other (major) GSM carrier we have here is AT&T, and I can't in good conscience give my money to them, what with the constant invasion of privacy and all. So I'm stuck. Otherwise I'd buy a FreeRunner today. A CDMA Openmoko phone would be quite welcome.
 # [[User:Radar|Radar]] - 8/29/2008 - On Verizon.  It's time for me to update phones, and I'd love to have a CDMA OpenMoko phone.
 # [[User:stozi|stozi]] - 9/15/2008 - In China CDMA service uses R-UIM cards. I think Korea too, where CDMA is dominant. In Canada CDMA service is superior to GSM. I've read Telus has hired a firm to develop R-UIM cards for them. CDMA emits lower radiation and drops calls less often. Who knows when 4G, LTE will see the light of day. It is called Long Term Evolution. GSM is based on TDMA, Most UMTS, including HSPA, is based on W-CDMA, and LTE is based on OFDA & SC-FDMA, so I don't think you can say that, while developed with UMTS in mind, LTE is better suited to GSM than it is to CDMA. It will not be a factor causing CDMA to die off any faster than GSM, since chips handling combinations of LTE with both are being developed.