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Talk:Group sales

2008-06-26T08:35:47Z

Nicolas: /* The Netherlands */

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== England ==
=== [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Oxford Oxford] ===

{[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/sonicated Tim Coggins] 27/04}
It seems apparent from the London group that there will not be 10 people in Oxford who initially want a Freerunner. Therefore I suggest one person gets an 10 pack shipped to them (to save on price, shipping and to get the goodies!) and then mails them individually across the UK. I am willing to make the order and mail the phones if we can find a way to ensure all parties interests are secure (ie. no one is going to get ripped off or left with Neo's they don't need). Has anyone got any ideas of how this could work?

:It may make sense, depending on numbers, to combine fractional 10s from several places (e.g. Hants, Oxford, West Mids). I would suggest waiting until orders are going to go in, and then shifting people around to their nearest regional organiser to make up a 10.
:Regarding security and trust of the transactions -- it's down to public reputations, I think. I'm organising the Hampshire one, and I've been active in the local Linux Users Group for years, so I know most of the people on our list, and they know that I'm pretty unlikely to run off to Patagonia with their money. I'd guess it's up to each organiser to come to an agreement with each purchaser that both are happy with. [[User:Darksatanic|Darksatanic]] 14:08, 28 April 2008 (CEST)

It's barking to think that - outside of London - there are likely to be as many as 10 people who want Freerunners and who are all within 30 or 45 minutes drive of each other. It's quite obvious, IMO, that postage will be required. See the "security of payments" subsection I've just added below. [[User:Strolls|Strolls]] 18:07, 28 April 2008 (CEST)

:Well, we've got 10 people for Hampshire already... [[User:Darksatanic|Darksatanic]] 18:37, 29 April 2008 (CEST)
::Well, an active LUG is going to make all the difference. [[User:Strolls|Strolls]] 21:41, 29 April 2008 (CEST)

==== UK Group Sales and shipping - security of payments ====

I'm prepared to pay up front for my Freerunner - at least 50% of the price, anyway - to someone with a decent reputation. Basically, if you've been posting on usenet or Linux-centric mailing-lists or web-forums for years then that's good enough for me. For instance uk.adverts.computers has always worked on the assumption of trusting the seller and paying up front - I've never been ripped off, and scammers are always identified quite quickly; obviously this identification was at the cost of at least one buyer, so in this case of an order of ten Freerunners we need some form of reputation in order to avoid that. Does the group buyer have lots of eBay feedback?

I believe that a 50% up-front payment largely solves the trust problem. What's the consensus?

In principle I'd be prepared to make the group order & post onwards (or allow collection - I'm about 5 minutes from M1 Junction 14, halfway between London & Birmingham), with the expectation of a 50% up-front payment. However cash is very tight at the moment, and I don't know that I'll be able to front the other 50%. I do have a decent online reputation, and I've been posting in Gentoo-user and on other mailing-lists for years. I can probably find at least one or two people who know me from these postings and who have visited my house or my father's socially or to pick up a secondhand LaserJet, but probably someone who has been active in a local LUG might be considered to have a better reputation. [[User:Strolls|Strolls]] 18:07, 28 April 2008 (CEST)

{[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/sonicated Tim Coggins] 29/04} With the 50% up front model I would be concerned that once I have sent the phones out that someone would be so happy with their Neo that they might forget to give me the other 50%. What would I do if someone claimed their box was empty? Thinking about all these edge cases makes me think I might be better with a reseller and my Amex :(

:I wouldn't want to cover 50% of the price up front for even a single 10-pack. However, I've been a good member of HantsLUG for 9 or so years, I've run it for two, and I'm currently one of the team running lug.org.uk, so I've probably got a reasonable online reputation. [[User:Darksatanic|Darksatanic]] 18:37, 29 April 2008 (CEST)

:Sorry - I was thinking 50% when the order's placed with OpenMoko, the other 50% when the Freerunners arrive in the UK (cash on collection or cleared funds before shipping onwards). The person making the order should be the "most trustworthy" - it's easier for everyone else to "audit" him than for him to have to worry about any one of the other 9 buyers stiffing him. But having said all that, I wouldn't have any worries about paying 100% up-front to someone like [[User:Darksatanic|Darksatanic]] - [mailto:stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk let me know] if someone drops out of your group, mate (assuming you're happy to Special Delivery onwards to me). [[User:Strolls|Strolls]] 21:50, 29 April 2008 (CEST)

== [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#The_Netherlands The Netherlands] ==

Discuss possible ways how to deal with the distribution in The Netherlands.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 19/04} I received an idea from [[User:Jan de Haan]]. We could try to find a distributor/importer, and approach that person with the question of doing the importing for us. Sadly I don't know anyone in that business, so I have no idea how to go about contacting someone like that.

{[[User:Tjikkun|Sander Hoentjen]] 19/04} I might be able to help out here, next Tuesday I will talk with my ex-employer and ask if he has any ideas. (Their business is helping US companies establish market in Europe)

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 19/04}Please do. And keep us informed. Would be great if we can get this off the ground.

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 19/04}Agree. For the record: the reason we are looking for a professional business to organize this for us is the inability of any person to front the money for 10 Freerunners, an amount of money ($6000,-) that almost everybody gives the hickups. So we're looking for a business that can buy us the 10 phones with the discount with the guaranteed sale of them. I've done business with sallandautomatisering (Am _not_ affiliated with them in any way) and they showed definite interest. So if Sander's way does not work, I suggest we contact them.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 20/04} Jan, the Freerunner is cheaper than that. In group sale we're probably looking at a figure of 'just' $3690 (ex shipping, and probably other costs.) And otherwise it's $399 per sold phone (again excluding shipping costs and probably also import fees)
BTW it would be good if the people interested in getting a Neo in this group sale also add contact information, so that people can be notified, if you haven't done so already. Out of 11, we're only able to contact 8, at the moment.

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 20/04} The $6000 was 10x the price for the first hardware version for sale with the debug option. Btw, I'm definitely interested in the debug version, although that is sold as a separte packge. Source http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html (Thanks, Marcel. ;-) )

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 20/04} I have notified 9 people on the Dutch list about this page. The other two I have no way of contacting at the moment. Let's hope they read the community mailing list. :)

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 20/04} Yorick at this point, I'm not sure. I'm not an importer myself, just someone who is eager to get his grubby hands on a Neo. :) BTW, you could start a similar discussion on it for Belgians right here as well. Just add it to the page here. Just make a separate section on this page. :)

{[[User:A.dre|André Disselhorst]] 20/04} I was thinking that, in the case finding someone willing to do the importing in the Netherlands would fail, we maybe could join such an initiative abroad.
@Jan de Haan: I think asking sallandautomatisering will do no harm.

{[[User:Eric_Smith|Eric Smith]] 21/04} I can help oragnise the importing. This is something I do in my business but
have very little time available. So we need to be superefficient with information and of course financial arrangements. Feel free to mail me eric _at_ fruitcom.com.

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 21/04}

Gepost via: http://salland.eu/content/mysalland/mail_contact.php
onder subject: E-mailcontact - Product Management artikel toevoegen

Hier kunt u artikelen opgeven, die nog niet in het assortiment van
Salland Automatisering voorkomen, maar die u wel door ons geleverd
zou willen zien worden.
Wees svp zo compleet mogelijk met het verstrekken van informatie
over het te leveren artikel.

Uw naam J. de Haan
Uw e-mailadres [[Special:Emailuser/User:Jan de Haan|Contact]]
Artikelinformatie
Merk openmoko
Naam freerunner
Website openmoko.com

L.S.,

wij (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#The_Netherlands) proberen
als groep minstens 10 openmoko/freerunner toestellen te verkrijgen a E369,- voor
de groepskorting. Bent u geintereseerd om dit voor ons te realiseren?

Hoogachtend,

J. de Haan.

PS Reactie kan via mijn email adres of via de bovengenoemde pagina, deze mail
wordt daar ook gepost.

E-mailcontact - verzonden
Uw bericht is ontvangen en wordt zo spoedig mogelijk behandeld.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 22/04} Thanks Jan. I hope this will work, I'm just afraid, we're going to need more people to make it viable for those stores to import it. But I see that they use a .eu domain, so if they also sell stuff over the border, I don't think it to be too hard to drum up some support from the other European groups. That way we can make a bigger market to offset those import costs for the retailer.
BTW, I replaced your email address in that email, with something more spam-proof. ;)

{[[User:Tjikkun|Sander Hoentjen]] 22/04} I had no luck with my ex-employer unfortunately. A comment about the Salland Automatisering letter though: You are talking about a E369,-, is that the price in Euro you are thinking about? ATM 369.00 USD = 231.037 EUR, shipping and taxes will be applied, anybody knows what the price will be for us taken that into account? How much money can a company make out of it, in order for us to still buy? I don't think a company will do it for free, but maybe they will do it for just the publicity, that can be good for them of course.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 22/04} If I had to ballpark it, I'd say aim at around 350, anything below it would be great. I'm not sure what the shipping costs/import costs would come at. I think, looking at other consumer electronic prices in the US and Europe, it's a safe bet (lots of appliances have about the same number behind the currency symbol, whether it is $ or euro)
And the $369 and $399 are still estimates, at least if I read Steve's mail correctly.

{[[User:AVee|Arjan Veenstra]] 20/04} Personally I wouldn't mind doing this through a private person, as long as things are properly documented (e.g. there is proof when things go wrong). That will mean having to pay in advance, but I doubt anyone of us would bother to run off with $4000. A 5 lines 'contract' is probably enough to make sure you get your money back when the Freerunner don't show up. But then, i'll just go along with the rest of you.

{[[User:Tjikkun|Sander Hoentjen]] 23/04} Through a private person is also fine by me, the only problem I see is getting a proper invoice. This might come in handy when there is a problem with the phone, for which you have insurance, like I do.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 23/04} Indeed, I'd like to get an invoice as well. If Openmoko would add a separate invoice for each of the ten phones in the box, so that everyone can use that for their warranty/administration. I don't see many problems with going through a private person. We could even make it a meet at a central location, ;) to hand out the phones, to make sure that everyone gets his/her phone.

{[[User:Eric_Smith|Eric Smith]] 23/04} I like the idea to have Openmoko invoice each of the group separately, if that does not
kill their bulk buy offer. I am happy to go along with the proposal and send advances to someone in the group to consolidate the purchase. I work in importing so any help you need, please ask.

{[[User:ChristW|Christ van Willegen]] 24/04} Going through one person is fine with me. I'll happily pre-pay and get my phone handed out
on Utrecht CS :-)

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 23/04} Update: I'm still talking with sallandautomatisering, but cannot update untill a conclusion has been reached. Sorry. But hey, at least they are talking ;-) You'll have to trust me on that. If people don't, I can talk to one other person on this list in confidence, but you got to have a little patience for the moment. As another opportunity: can somebody take a look at [http://www.trisoft.de/] and give an opinion? Two possibilities arise from this: we take our business there as a group or ask a Dutch reseller to import from there.

{[[User:A.dre|André Disselhorst]] 23/04} Thank you for your work on Sallandautomatisering. I followed your pointer to Trisoft and was reminded of another shop: [http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?d__freerunner___b_OpenMoko_Freerunner_299_eur__b_972.htm] I don't know if they continue with importing Openmoko. I will keep an eye on them.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 23/04} And there is [http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner Handheld-linux.com], who seem eager to offer the Neo Freerunner as well. Just no Dutch stores (yet) :) Jan, I trust you. Keep up the good work.

{[[User:KenSentMe|Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]] 25/04} Maybe the people over at [http://www.mingos.nl/ Mingos] are willing to help out. They call themselves an IT Specialist in free software.

{[[User:Eric_Smith|Eric Smith]] 25/04} I Why do we not import the consignment ourselves? What are the disadvantages. I could organise and/or provide the information to someone else in the group. What is the reason that we want to put our business through a dealer?

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 25/04} I think the biggest hurdle would be the invoice, warranty-wise. But I don't mind if one of us imports it, and then distributes it. Through a meet-up of some sorts would be great. A great way to get a community feel. :)
You say you have experience with importing goods, Eric. Do you know what sorts of extra costs we have to keep in mind? Sales tax? Import costs? VAT? 
Another could-be problem is with the amount of phones currently on the 'group sales list'. Currently we are at 16. Group sales are in increments of 10. So the importer could be stuck with 4 unsold phones (which of course could get sold on ebay, but it's an upfront investment in that case, with some insecurity for the importer), or 6 could get stuck with a higher expense (because they don't benefit from the group sale discount).

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 25/04} Going through a reseller you should take in mind if that party is willing to do it without taking a (large) profit. One person (doesn't have to be a business) can contact OM and ask them if the order is bigger then 10 (but not an increment of 10) the discount would still be valid per Freerunner. Or maybe one of the german resellers would give the same discount if an order above 10 pieces at once was given and send to one central person. You'd pay german VAT but that doesn't matter you would have to pay dutch VAT if you import it directly from OM. Just my 2 cents. A reseller in Holland has to ask for VAT either way as well so...

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 25/04} A similar question was asked on the mailing list, and [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015188.html Steve from openmoko] came back and told us, that "{t}here will be two products. Buy 1 OR buy 10.{...} So, if you wanted 11 you would buy a 10 +1."
It could be that that's changed. But I kinda doubt that. Well, ok, yes, VAT is needed. But I was kinda looking for a list of extra costs to keep in mind, when importing goods on this scale. Does customs take a fee, or something.

{[[User:ChristW|Christ van Willegen]] 25/04} Customs _sometimes_ lets packages go through without VAT, but not always. If it isn't clearly labeled they guess what's in there and tax you on it. Also, indeed, Steve said that 10+6 is out. By the way, you'll need to 'sell' 9 of the 10 phones to break even, be careful ordering 20 and selling 16! Buying 16 (10+6) and sharing the costs would bring it to $369 instead of $349 per phone.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 25/04} Not to nitpick, but the price is already $369 per phone in the 10 pack. But you do have a point. Though I think you can easily sell those off via ebay or marktplaats or any of the other online auction sites. Too bad it isn't out yet. Would have been great to have a box them and stand in Amsterdam during Queensday, selling the phones. ;)

{[[User:KenSentMe|Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]] 26/04} I see we are at 17 already. Let's just try to get to 20 for the Netherlands. If we have that amount i am willing to import the phones for the group order, but i think we just should pay normal tax etc. and not try to avoid that by taking the chance the customs won't notice our package.

{[[User:PingPong|Peter Hageman]] 26/04 10:00} Before the Freerunner hits the streets we will have 30 or more people joining. The price of the Freerunner won't drop with 20 or 30, but the shipping costs might.

{[[User:ChristW|Christ van Willegen]] 27/04} (I cut out a lot of somehow duplicated comments. If anyone misses anthing, I appologise for the inconvenience) I agree with Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof about not willing to avoid taxes. Neither do I, but it happend, sometimes. If you are willing to import phones for us, that would be wonderful. Thanks!

{[[User:Ericsp|Eric Spierings]] 28/04} Guys, I thank all of you for working on this issue. Unfortunately I cannot add anything valuable to this. I'll happily join Christ while picking up the phone at Utrecht CS. :-)

{[[User:AVee|Arjan Veenstra]] 28/04} Shipping costs are, reading from comments on the community list, around $16 per piece for the 10pack. We might save some more ordering 20 or 30 at once, but we could consider placing seperate orders and have these delivered at more convinient places. (We migth, depending on the numbers, even mix and match with the guys in [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#Belgium Belgium]. Perhaps for some Antwerp is closer then Utrecht...)

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 28/04} Just commenting to add [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016379.html this link] to Steve's message to the mailing list, with an estimation of the UPS shipping costs. (For us, it is a bit more expensive, but the UPS website isn't exactly cooperating with me. If someone else could look it up. The number I got for expedited delivery was 170.94 USD, for the 10-pack, and 184.20 for UPS Worldwide Express, but I'm not entirely sure if that number is correct. Somehow the site demanded I enter in the dimensions in (rounded up) inches. So those are estimates.
But my take is that it's probably wise to use the expedited, because the delivery date is in all options about the same, with one difference: Express is delivered before noon, and Expedited before the end of the day.

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 29/04} Hi All. I'm sorry, but the dealer I was talking with, is not interested:

Geachte heer,

Ik heb gekeken naar de site Trisoft.de

Ik vrees dat het voor ons niet interessant is om hier zaken mee te doen. Wellicht dat u zelf kunt bestellen bij Trisoft.de

Wat ik heb gezien is dat er geen KvK of BTW nummers zijn en gewoon als particulier het e.e.a. geregeld kan worden.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx
Product Management / Technical Support

Salland Automatisering

Maybe we should take their advice and order through trisoft. Anybody know anything about them? If we can pick them up ourselves (for me a 3 hours drive) we might be able do it. Main problem will be to front the money.

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 29/04} I think, reading the mail list, that 10 packs need to be ordered from the US so Trisoft is not an option I think. 1 Entity should order the 10 pack(s) and then distribute them to the other people. I could ask around maybe someone I know can be the central entity.

{[[User:EdbO|Eddy Boer]] 29/04} @Jan de Haan: Maybe you can try Azerty (www.azerty.nl). The people who founded Salland Automatisering have started that new company some years ago.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 29/04} But then point them to Openmoko.com/.org, because that's AFAIK the only way of getting the group discount, give them the link to the mailing list post. 
But I think right now the best way is to have one or two people place the group order, and distribute it from that central location, either through the mail or through a meeting. (The latter has my preference)

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 29/04} Ok, following mail is on it's way to azerty. Sorry Madjo, sent before I saw your comment.
from Jan de Haan <haan.j.de@gmail.com>
to inkoop@azerty.nl,
date Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:52 PM
subject Openmoko - Freerunner
mailed-by gmail.com

hide details 8:52 PM (0 minutes ago)

L.S.,

wij (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#The_Netherlands) proberen
als groep minstens 10 openmoko/freerunner toestellen te verkrijgen a E369,- voor
de groepskorting. Bent u geintereseerd om dit voor ons te realiseren?
Een importeur schijnt trisoft.de te zijn. Let wel: dit product is
nog niet op de markt,
al zijn de laatste test productie runs klaar.

Hoogachtend,

J. de Haan.

PS Reactie kan via mijn email adres of via de bovengenoemde pagina, deze mail
wordt daar ook gepost.

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 29/04} Hi again, had a talk and we, OpenSource Nieuws Nederland would be willing to be that one entity who places that order in the US. There are a lot of things that would have to be worked out and costs have to be calculated but we would be willing to help and organize this with your help. There should be a page were people could signup once the price is known (first in first out untill a 10 pack is filled) and all would have to be paid in advance before ordering because we can't pay that amount of money in advance. Let me know if this is an idea or that you rather have an hardware reseller handle, is also cool, just let me know. OSNN is a company with a VAT number and if we will invoice individually but will not do waranty, if you want that then you need to order with trisoft or an other company. Warranty on the 10 pack is still a thing that needs to be answered on the list I think.

{[[User:EdbO|Eddy Boer]] 30/04} I have also found a company who is interesting to help us. They don't sell hardware but woodworking machines, and they use opensource software as much as possible. We have talked about it and they want to buy the phones at Trisoft due to the warranty, but when you don't worry about warranty ...... Al the phones they buy should be already sold to you and the total amount should have a factor of 10 (10-pack). When the phones were arrived you can pick them up with an invoice of the company or they send the phone to you (with an invoice), but then you have to pay shipping costs. All the phones should be paid before they place the order! Belgium is also welcome!

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 04/05} I know I can't speak for all of us here. But me personally, I have a little bit more faith in the offering of Open Source Nieuws Nederland. Sorry Eddy, btw, I doubt that phones sold through Trisoft would fall under the group sale. But I could be mistaken. 
Provided we get answers on the warranty thing from Openmoko, I think that's our best bet.

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 05/05} Ok, let's take a quick vote (btw, any reseller who is interested in taking 10 way orders can extend this table):

=== Votes for a reseller ===
{|border=1
!Name
!Trisoft
!Open Source Nieuws Nederland
|-
|[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]]
|
|1
|-
|[[User:Eric_Smith|Eric Smith]]
|
|1 (Subject to a solution for warranty)
|-
|[[User:PingPong|Peter Hageman]]
|
|1
|-
|[[Special:Emailuser/User:PWerken|Peter van de Werken]]
|
|1 (note: I'll buy 2 Freerunners)
|-
|[[User:A.dre|André Disselhorst]]
|
|1
|-
|[[User:T_M|Theo Martens]]
|
|1
|-
|[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]]
|
|1
|-
|[[User:Ericsp|Eric Spierings]]
|
|1 (If warranty is OK)
|-
|[[User:KenSentMe|Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]]
|
|1
|-
|[[User:ChristW|Christ van Willegen]]
|
|1
|-
|'''Total'''
|
|10
|}
{[[User:Yorick|Yorick]] 06/05} I contacted Michael Brus, the manager of PDAshop. This is what he said:
Beste Yorick,

Bedankt voor je mail en informatie; ik kende de toestellen niet, maar zou ze
best eens van dichtbij willen bekijken. Het 'developer' model lijkt me dan
echter weer minder interessant voor ons; het 'consumer' model zou eind 2008
op de markt moeten komen?

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,

Michael Brus
Manager PDAshop

Coolblue
Molenbaan 11 . 2908 LL Capelle a/d IJssel . www.coolblue.nl

Coolblue is...
MP3shop.nl . PDAshop.nl . Digicamshop.nl . GPSshop.nl .
Smartphoneshop.nl . Consoleshop.nl . Telefoonshop.nl . meer...

Should I forward this to Michael Shiloh?

{[[User:Jan de Haan|Jan de Haan]] 07/05} I'll vote to wait until there are actually phones shipping, until that time, the more people we gather here, and maybe other dealers, the better the deal we get(I hope).

{[[User:T_M|Theo Martens]] 08/05}
Well, I want to have the phone as soon as possible. The best deal ever isn't my main concern.

{[[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 13/05}
I've been browsing the mailing list, and found [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/016971.html this post] from Openmoko's Steve. Group sales have 28 days of DOA (Dead On Arrival) coverage, and single sales have 14 days of DOA coverage. Which I think is reasonable. BTW, I don't think there will be a better deal than the $369 per phone for the 10-pack. 
We currently have enough people to fill 2 10-packs, which is awesome! 
What we do need to figure out are the import costs, and the shipping costs. (it's shipped via UPS, if I recall correctly from the mailing list.)

{[[User:Ericsp|Eric Spierings]] 22/05}

I wouldn't be too sure that this is financially going to be the best deal. This message in the community mailing list (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017668.html) shows interesting info regarding Pulster.
----
''Christph Pulster wrote:
''> about 10 pack orders - we try to be cheaper than the 10-order-
''> pack-price ! so no need to collect ten local buyers.

''This sounds so good...! I'm waiting for official news (and maybe infos
about the gifts too)...''
----
'''I checked their webpage and they advertise with OpenMoko Freerunner 299 eur'''

{[[User:KenSentMe|Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]] 22/05} I checked their website too and it says 'Sobald der Freerunner wirklich lieferbar ist, ist er an dieser Stelle mit konkretem Preis zu finden und real bestellbar.' Which could mean that the price will be something other than 299 euro.

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 22/05} I like the pulster deal a lot, even if they are the same price as buying the 10 pack in the US the warranty part is a lot better seeing Germany is next door to us. Only thing is that you would mis out on the pouch and headset, dunno if that's such a great loss. And they say they will be going under the price of the US 10 pack order if you order the 10 from them. So maybe a vote on yes or no to the pouch/headset deal? Maybe we should check if with Pulster a group order of 10+ will always give the discount. Like 22 will get the same discount and that we are not forced in getting groups of ten people.

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 22/05} I wrote an e-mail to pulster with the questions so I will post the answer here when I get one.

{[[User:T_M|Theo Martens]] 24/05}
The pouch and headset are not that important IMO. I guess most join the group sale for convenience and reduce cost. But maybe I'm wrong.

{[[User:Ericsp|Eric Spierings]] 26/05}

'''From the community mailing list again:

'''Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote [to Pulster - Ed.]:
''>> 1. Do you know when you'll be approximately able to define a price?
''>> 2. The Freerunner will be shipped with extra goodies (generally
''>> given only to people buying a 10-pack (ie: pouch and headset)?
''>

'''From Pulster [Ed.]

''> Price fix ASAP I have the units in own hands/stocks.
''> 299-319 eur is really realistic.
''>
''> All goodies included at PULSTER !
''>
''> Also can be bought a lot accessories extra very soon (debug board, pens,
''> cases etc)
''>
''> you see, I will make all your wishes true :)

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{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 26/05} Yeah, read that message in the weekend, no reply to my mail at this moment but seeing this message straight from pulster I would say that we should buy directly from pulster as a group. Warranty wise it's better as well.

399 U.S. dollars is about 253 Euros and including VAT that would become 301.07 Euro so pulster with their price being 299 Euro (see below) has a good price and for 10 and more there is a discount just like in the US. I would propose to take the dutch group sale to Pulster.

The following mail from Chis Pulster was on the list also.

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I am Chris from pulster.eu - my hello to this great community.

May I add some points from my side:

- Freerunner - ready to order ASAP it is available. We do not
take pre-orders of items we dont have in hands. For a one-time info-
mail once the Freerunner is ready to order, please just email me
mailto: christoph@pulster.de
- we aim a Freerunner price tag of 299 EUR incl. VAT
- shipping worldwide with DHL, Europa 15 EUR, World 30 EUR postage
- soon we offer accessories for Freerunner like spare batterie, charger,
Headset, pouch and also the debug-board
- group-sales make local communities, that is wonderful. I am happy to
sell Freerunner separately or in packages.

Many thanks,
Chris

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{[[User:Ericsp|Eric Spierings]] 26/05}
Indeed let's take the dutch group sale to Pulster. We are with 22 so we should be able to make a good deal regarding the goodies. And in that way no-one has to take any financial risk.

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 28/05} My guess is, that for a group buy at pulster there is still one entity needed for buying the devices. The thing is that with pulster, as with the US deal, the waranty should be per person and not named for the buying entity.

:I don't think that we need to do the 'group buy' at Pulster. You can just buy the device at 299 a piece there. I would like to have the pouch though, if they can assure me that the pouch and other goodies would be included in the deal (because they of course could make a number of 'groupbuys' for the entire customer base), then count me in.--[[User:Madjo|MadJo]]

:: Your absolutly right on this one, been thinking about it and the possible discount we would be getting would wasted on shipping within the Netherlands again. Like you said, if there are goodies involved it's a different deal of course :) . --[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]]

:::So let's start negotiating with Pulster regarding the goodies. We can bring in 22 customers, so he has something to win. It might be important to know whether Pulster takes credit card payments. I cannot find that option on their webpage and an electronic banktransfer will add another 15 (?) euro.[[User:Ericsp|Eric Spierings]]

:::: Bank payments to germany are free of charge, at least for my bank (Rabobank).{[[User:Tjikkun|Sander Hoentjen]]}

:::: I'm afraid they don't accept credit cards (from their [http://www.pulster.de/engl/imprint.htm About Us page]:

We do not accept any other payment option like PayPal, Reembourse/Cash-on-delivery (COD) payments,
direct CreditCard payments, any kind of cheques, western union, postal money orders, cash. Please dont
ask, we do not accept none of this options thanks to a very few but very expensive scams.

:::: Nice double negative in there, btw. But still, 299+15 is less than 350 or 400. ;) --[[User:Madjo|MadJo]]

::::: If it is going to be a group sale (if pulster provides the goodies) it would be (discounted price * 22 + transfer rate + (21 * shipping within Holland)) [[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]]

:::::: Are you assuming that we'd get a discounted price when we order in bulk? I have not seen any evidence that Pulster will lower the price even more, when done like that. But indeed, we'd have 22 * whatever-price-the-freerunner-will-get-at-Pulster + shipping costs... but then we are back at the discussion of how to deal with the warranty. Will Pulster give separate invoices for each of the phones in the pack? --[[User:Madjo|MadJo]]

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 02/06} Okay I got an answer from Chris Pulster. I had 2 main questions that he answered and they were 1. Will the pouch and other goodies be included with a group sale as would be if we were to buy in the states. 2. Is a group sale, like in the states, limited to groups of ten or will the discount be for all phones bought in bulk. This is what he had to say:

about your question: at the moment we dont know about pouch/headsets
included or not. I will tell you a more reliable answer if Freerunners
are in stocks.
my discount system and sales are full flexibel (no ten-pack limitations)
let us talk and we find a nice offer for the dutch OpenMoko community !

Beste Gruesse aus Leimen,
Christoph Pulster

We will have to take a look at what the discount will be and if it is worth it considering we will have extra shipping cost in holland.

If the shipping costs will be too high, i would be willing to pick the phones up myself, if my expenses are covered. We have to figure out further distribution though. {[[User:KenSentMe|Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]] 03/06}

{[[User:Atilla|Atilla Filiz]] 19/06} Don't we have a chance for direct shipping from Taiwan? The phones are produced there anyway.

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 20/06} We could but the problem would be that we would be buying it for consumer prices where Pulster buys a whole lot, and being a reseller pays a reseller price, or better yet a distributors price. So my bet is that we would be better of getting it from pulster than from Taiwan because that would not be much cheaper then getting it from the States.

{[[User:Atilla|Atilla Filiz]] 22/06} Any news from Pulster or any other possible importer yet?

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 25/06} I got some news from Christoph just now but am waiting for permission to post it here, nothing earth chattering but just want his permission seeing it is a private e-mail. I'll keep you posted.

{[[User:mivaho|Michel van Horssen]] 25/06}

Okay this is the e-mail Christopher from pulster.de wrote to me this afternoon:

- our price of 299 EUR for Openmoko Freerunner is already rock-bottom, so we can not make further discounts, my apologises. What we can offer is free shipping
worldwide if you order 10 units or more at once.

- delivery time: same day money cleares we ship with registered and insured DHL airmail parcel. Transit time inside Europe is c.3 days, outside Europe 5 days.

- customs: inside EU community there is no hassle with customs and no taxes/VAT will be added. Its all included our price of 299 eur.
Outside EU community (Switzerland, Norway, USA, Asia) we will reduce German VAT giving a buying price of 249 EUR excl. VAT. Please note your local VAT will be added.

- warranty: we give full 2 years warranty period. Please note, this is legal law for European business and compare it with own imports from Asia/USA.
For warranty issues we are happy to include a separate invoice for each person of the GroupSale.

- accessories included: its identical to the single unit order. Any other accessories (Cases/Headset etc.) can be ordered in our shop www.pulster.eu - we already have stocks.

My first reaction was that seeing this it would be better to order as an individual because the only benefit of the free shipping would be lost because we would have to re-distribute it in Holland so that would add some shipping costs again. That's what I wrote to Chris and he replied that another benefit of a group order is that a group order has precedence before a shop sale. So My guess is ( and I hope to get that confirmed by Chris ASAP ) that if we as a group order at pulster.de before the shop opens, those phones will be reserved for us. When you order as an individual there is a chance you will miss out on the first batch and would have to wait until Chris gets another batch of phones.

So my advice would be, if we want to get our hands on a Openmoko FreeRunner as one of the first in Holland we would need to buy as a group. Again, we, Open Source Nieuws Nederland, are willing to be the mediator. The price would be the Euro 299 plus shipping costs within Holland and the money needs to be in our bank account before we pay pulster.de we can not afford to pay in advance. How do we communicate? Should I open an e-mail adres fot this? Do any of you want to do the group thing with pulster, or buy as an individual or take your money to the states?

SeeYa,
Michel

{[[User:nicolas|Nico Veenkamp]] 26/06}. I am willing to group my order together with the rest using Open Source Nieuws Nederland as intermediate. Specifically to have the priority advantage of the group order mentioned by Michel to get my hands as soon as possible on the Neo FreeRunner. I would suggest to Michel to put order details on this page and open a specific email adres to receive orders.

== Canada ==
==== GTA (Toronto) ====
{ --[[User:Argo|Argo]] 03:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC) }
For group 1 it looks like they have actually gotten the 10 orders in? or am I them adding up wrong?

== Croatia ==
{--[[User:W00t|W00t]] 14:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)} '''ja ne bih da već sada radimo pan-balkansku grupu, iskreno sam iznenađen odazivom do sada, pa jedino možda ako ne skupimo dovoljno ljudi do kraja ovog tjedna...'''

moj post sa hr.comp.os.linux upućen mnalisu;

> BTW, ti si zapravo kontaktirao HULK i rekli su ti da bi to oni isli raditi i

> gnjaviti se sa svim tim, ili ih cisto spominjes onako u smislu "pa oni su

> dragi ljudi, sigurno ce besplatno uloziti mjesece svog zivota u to u zamjenu

> za pivu" ?

Davio sam ih malo zadnja dva dana na IRCu, i prema logu načelno su za
da se narudžbe hendlaju preko njih. A i mislim da se ipak ne radi o
mjesecima života bačenih za pivu, more like možda 2-3 sata za gajbu
ili dvije :), hell ako je toliko teško napravit ću ja sve, učlanit se
u HULK ako treba

ali do toga trenutka ovako ja razmišljam:

1.) skupimo 10 zainteresiranih
2.) ja nazovem carinu i agenciju za telekomunikacije
3.) pitamo openmoko za shipping estimate
4.) ako su svi i dalje za, skupljanje sredstava i na kraju narudžba

dakle ništa nije obligatory, idemo step by step, onog trenutka kada se
prijavi 10 ljudi na wikiju ja zovem nadležne službe, pa ćemo vidit di
stojimo sa uvozom i tim''

nemoj odmah "worst case scenario" :)

>> mozda da se malo na elitesecurity.org pokrene rasprava?

--[[User:W00t|W00t]] 10:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC) svakako, ja sam za

== Czech Republic ==
Distribuční seznam, základní informace naleznete v [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Czech_Republic GroupSales]

*[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#Diskuze Diskuze]
*[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#Dopl.C5.88uj.C3.ADc.C3.AD_informace Doplňující informace]

=== Diskuze ===
''Martin Holec''> Máme tu 4x ze Zlína, co kdyby někdo jel do Brna pro 4ks a ve Zlíně by se rozdělili?

''Martin Šenkeřík''> jak jsem psal, já do Zlína jezdívám, a od května do září budu ve Zlíně velmi často, takže se Zlínem není vůbec problém.

Jinak už se objevily nějaké termíny. Jestli jsem to dobře pochopil, tak 9.5. by už mohla začít masová výroba a brzy na to by měl začít prodej...

''Pavel Kovář''>> Jak by měl vlastně vypadat? Takový ten bíly se mně moc nelíbí. Radši bych měl [http://http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:FIC-neo1973_small.jpg černý].

''Michal Pěnka''> Protože jsem jedenáctý a nevím, jestli bude možné objednat 11 kusů nebo jen po desítkách, domluvím se s Tomem Vargou později (jestli by byl ochotný pro převoz do Prahy), každopádně bych také raději ten černý.

''Pavel Kovář''>> Jak to tak tady pročítám tak to půjde objednat za zvýhodněnou cenu (+pytlík? a headset) opravdu jenom po desítkách. Ale IMHO když této stránce zvedneme popularitu (případně přiberem Slováky) tak jich budem nakonec brát minimálně dvacet ;) Mně osobně připadá datum 9.5. hodně optimistické.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> FreeRunner bude pouze v jedné barevné variantě, a to černý. To datum 9.5. mám [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates odsud]

''Pavel Kovář'' >>Nemáte někdo fotku freerunnera ? na wiki jsem zatím našel jenom fotky GTA1-čky

''David Kozub''>> Jelikoz se vyskytuju ve Zline i v Praze, muzu zajistit prevoz do Prahy.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> No tak například tady to máš dokonce na videu: http://youtube.com/watch?v=k9QLdK6pFCI ;-) Ale jinak i na wiki se povalují fotky FreeRunnera. Například hned ta první na hlavní stránce ;-)

''Pavel Kovář''>> To video je parádní. Co se týče té fotky z úvodu wiki, myslel jsem, že je to jenom render. Jinak jak jsem tak bloudil po stránkách české pošty - nejlevněj to nejspíš vyjde poslat jako profibalík za myslím že 64korun. Za dobírku se něco ještě připlácí. Balík je pojištěný do 100 000. [http://www.cpost.cz:80/jetspeed/portal/media-type/html/user/anon/page/default.psml/js_pane/sluzbyonline%2Czasilky?docid=370&calc_lb0=10424&calc_cb0=1 více zde]

ad. '''Praha (Čechy):'''

''Tom Varga''>> Pokoušel jsem se vyčíst z mailing listu, jak je to s tou množstevní slevou - co jsem z toho pochopil, tak by neměl být problém objednat množství nedělitené desíti, ale ty kusy navíc jsou pak [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016432.html bez slevy] a [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016202.html bez bonusu]; pořád by se to ale vyplatilo skrze poštovné. Prozatím bych navrhl, aby se zájemci z Prahy (Čech) zapsali / potvrdili smazáním otazníku v [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distribu%C4%8Dn%C3%AD_sch%C3%A9ma distribučním schématu], možná něco podobného pro Slovensko - momentálně to vypadá, že bude snazší sehnat 20 zájemců celkem a taky by se tím mohla situace trochu vyjasnit. Osobně jsem schopen zajistit dovoz z Brna do Prahy, Liberce, Jablonce n.N. a přilehlých končin. Případné návrhy sem ;)

''Pavel Kovář''>>> Řekl bych že čím větší balík poletí za Ameriky sem tím levněj to vyjde. Pokud není poštovné na gramy. 20-ti zájemců se určitě dočkáme. Když počítám Františka Horínka z Bratislavy tak je nás 18. Co se týče bonusů na headsetu moc nelpím ale ten pytel by se mně vážně hodil. Často v kapse kombinuju mobil a klíče nebo šroubovák...

''Michal Bořek''>>>> Poštovné samozřejmě není na gramy, ale na libry, neboli každých započatých 0.45 kg se platí, plus se poštovné započítává do cla, mimochodem taková zásilka asi jen tak přes celnici neprojde, takže je možné, že nikdo (příjemce) bude muset dodat na celnici případné dokumenty dokladující hodnotu zasílaného zboží.

''Jan Mareš''>>>>> Tak dle "platného" celního sazebníku by se clo nemělo platit. Viz [http://disk.jabbim.cz/ivir@jabbim.com/celni_sazebnik.pdf Sazebník] strana 568. Tedy by se hradilo pouze DPH. Aspoň si myslím, že 20 telefonů jako "dárek" asi neprojde.

''Michal Bořek''>>>>>> No tím lépe, ale tak já to beztak myslel jako celý celní dluh a to dph je právě i z poštovného.

''Miloslav Machotka''> Koukám že jsem trochu zaspal dění. :) V [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distribu%C4%8Dn%C3%AD_sch%C3%A9ma distribučním schématu] jsem se připsal k Praze. Mám to nejblíž, jsem z Vlašimi, ale jinak jsem pro to schopen dojet i do Brna. Jsem pro to aby se to vyřešilo, pokud možno, po desítkách a pak to rozvést (rozeslat) po Čechách a Slovensku. Bonusy se asi většině lidí hodí.

''Pavel Kovář''>>>>>>> DPH musíme taky platit ?? To je mrzuté. Kolik mají DPH slováci ? nevyšlo by to levněj poslat do Bratislavy a stama ''"propašovat"'' k nám ? Když už máme ten šengen... Nevrátí nám třeba amíci DPH které za to zaplatili u nich ?

''Jan Mareš''>>>>>>>> Co je mi známo, tak při obchodování mimo zemi se DPH neúčtuje a účtuje se až v cílové zemi. Dle rok starého článku na měšci je základní sazba stejná, tj. 19%. Od DPH by to šlo odprostit pouze pokud by na tom balíku bylo napsáno, že se jedná o dárek. Pak se na to daň neuplatní. Jakmile se mi povede najít ustanovení/článek, tak jsem dám odkaz.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> No ono je stále ještě otázkou, odkud to vůbec budou posílat. Protože sem někde viděl informace, že se budou snažit zásobovat Evropu z nějakého centra v Evropě. O tom dárku jsem taky slyšel, ale prej to taky není zaručený způsob. Celníci se do toho můžou podívat, a uvalit na to daň podle vlastního rozhodnutí (prej). Jinak ale je tu ještě možnost, že by nám to někdo dovezl. Nevíte jak to funguje v tom případě?

''Jan Mareš''>>To centrum v Evropě bylo v plánu avšak levněji jim to vyjde posílání z Ameriky, takže bude k dispozici jen jedno centrum v USA. Ohledně toho dárku jsem doposud četl, že jeho částka nesmí přesáhnout 55€, jinak je normálně proclíván. Při osobním převozu jsou nastaveny limity výše viz [http://www.celnisprava.cz/CmsGrc/Cestovani-a-nakupy/Jak-se-chovat/mimo-eu.htm celní správa].

''Pavel Kovář'' >>> Kdyby vezl dva tři tak by možná ukecal že je to dárek ale dvacet... clo vem čert to bude nanejvýš 3,5% což není taková pálka. Spíš kdy se to DPH z toho platí ? Hned na celnici nebo musím podat něco jako daňové přiznání ?
* No tak zatím jsem zjistil že nejspíš jediná šance jak se osvobodit od cla a DPH je že všeci sedem do letadla a zajedem si pro to. Limit je 6000kč na jednu osobu starší 15-ti let.

''Jan Mares''>>>> Clo se na tento druh zboží nevztahuje. Platí se pouze české DPH, který ti celníci vyměří z ''ceny zboží + doprava + clo'', pak ti v případě fyzické osoby zašlou na tvou poštu, kde uhradíš DPH jako dobírku. U podnikatele je to trošku jiné. VAT (čili americké DPH) na zboží nebude uvaleno, jelikož zboží je vyváženo z USA.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> No a dá se tohle spočítat předem? Abysme mohli stanovit cenu?

''Michal Bořek''>> No dokud nebude jasne kolik bude stat postovne (typ + vaha) a jaky bude kurs dolaru, tak presna cena asi tezko.

''Pavel Kovář''>>No co. Tak ti každý pošlem sedm tisíc s tím, že potom přebytky rozdělíš do obálek a budeš předávat s každým telefonem obálku. Jinak to asi dost dobře nepůjde. Jedině že by nám to sem dopravila česká pobočka FIC-u/foxconn. Ale to je podle mně nepravděpodobné.

''Michal Bořek''>>>JJ take myslim, ze bych dal predbeznou cenu 7K s tim, ze uz je poslem, at muzes pruzne zareagovat a ne pak cekat az vsichni poslou.

''Pavel Kovář''>>>> Kdyby se zase Steve nebo někdo vyjádřil v jakém je to stavu a přidal předběžný odhad kdy se začne prodávat. Teďka je to těžko. Můžou ho vydat zítra ale taky třeba i za půl roku pokud se objeví nějaký složitý problém.
Ještě k té předběžné ceně - dolar není za 15 korun ale za 16,1-16,2 korun I s DPH se do těch 7000 nespíš nevejdem. Jestli že se domluvíme žo začnem posílat peníze tak navrhuju posílat 7500. IMHO dolar už níž nepůjde.

''Jan Mareš''> Co jsem se zatím díval na možnosti přepravy (DHL,Fedex,UPS,USPS), tak nejvýhodněji vychází USPS ([http://www.usps.com/ usps.com]), kdy se pohybujeme kolem částky 120$ i s pojištěním (kdyby to bylo cca 10kg což pochybuji). Bohužel maximální pojištění činí 5 000$, přičemž celková částka balíku vychází na cca 7 580$ . U ostatních jsem ohledně pojištění nenašel zmínku, přičemž poštovné vycházelo většinou přes 500$. Z pohledu pojištění by bylo vhodné objednávky rozdělit. Ještě bude záležet jaké poštovní služby nabídnou v e-shopu. Včera u ČSOB byla prodejní cena dolaru na 16,44Kč/$ a musím bohužel souhlasit, že lepší to už nebude. Jinak ceník je k dispozici na této adrese [http://pe.usps.com/text/Imm/ce_019.htm#ep1419781 http://pe.usps.com/text/Imm/ce_019.htm#ep1419781] .

''Pavel Kovář''> Teď mně napadlo - co kdyby jsem někde založili učet (nejlépe spořící) v dolarech a poslali to tam teď ? [http://www.mesec.cz/clanky/ucet-v-cizi-mene-ano-ale-kde/] Kdyby tak člověk věděl že pozítru neoznámí prodej...

''Michal Bořek''>>>>> Tak urcite bych pockal s placenim na nejake jistejsi vyjadreni, ale necekal bych na otevreni kramu, tehdy uz by chtelo, aby se to dalo hned objednat, co se tyka uctu neverim, ze dolar spadne, ale ani ze poroste a tak bych to neresil.

''Jan Mareš''> Vzhledem k množství objednávaného zboží bych možná už využil dopravních společností, které za nás provedou celní odbavení. Aspoň metodický pokyny k vyplnění JSD (jednotný správní doklad) nejsou triviální a zabere to minimálně půlden. Ukázku dokumentu jsme nalezl zde: [http://www.sevt.cz/produkt/jsd-18430-tranzit-60842500/ http://www.sevt.cz/produkt/jsd-18430-tranzit-60842500/].

''Michal Bořek''>> Dole v tom dopisu z celního úřadu se píše: "který má příslušné oprávnění pro hospodářskou nebo
obchodní činnost" to nikdo z nás má?

''Michal Bořek'' >> '''[http://www.trisoft.de/en_freerunner.htm Evropský Distributor]''', ale je celkem dražší.

''Radek Machulka'' > Což o to, [http://www.pulster.de/ tady] je o 50 euro levnější, ale nemyslím si, že to bude ve výsledku výhodnější.

''Jan Mareš''>>> Co jsem se díval do pokynů, tak to může vyplnit i fyzická osoba, jelikož každý způsobilý občan může provést obchodní činnost. Pouze nesmí být opakovaného rázu, tj. jednorázové obchody. Zkusím se tedy dotázat konkrétněji na tuto část. Ohledně toho evropského distributora nevím. Odhadem to vychází přes 1000 Kč dráž bez poštovného a bez bonusů. Jestliže se nám poradí vyřešit problém s celním úřadem, tak bych spíše volil objednávku z USA. Připadá mi, že tyhle obchody to jen objednají v USA, přijmou a přepošlou s přirážkou.

''Michal Bořek'' >>>> Take jsem pro USA, jen sem to nasel a ac ten od Radka Machulky je uz zajimavejsi tak verim, ze se dostanem i pod nej a jeste je tam ten obal a sluchatka.

''Pavel Kovář''> Já jsem též pro USA. Ještě by bylo možné (teoreticky) zkusit si to objednat přes nějakého (mešího) obchodníka co bere věci od FIC-u

''Michal Bořek''> Tož sem [[GroupSales#Aktu.C3.A1ln.C4.9B|vyhlásil konkurz]] na koordinátora pražské větve a snad se najde někdo kdo je schopen se vejít do těch zásadních bodů co jsem tam nastínil.

''Jan Mareš''> Relativně požadavky splňuji. Mám studentský ČSOB účet mající limit na 1,5M, kartu Visa Classic, angličtinu zvládám na úrovni čtení technické dokumentace, bydlím na Barrandově a jabber též mám (ivir@jabbim.com). Jen tu důvěryhodnost nemám. :) S tím clem to bude ještě zajímavé, ale snad mi ohledně toho ještě poradí z celního úřadu. V nouzi mám k dispozici i OSVČ. :)

''Jan Mareš''> Dle [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017531.html příspěvku] bude dovoz zboží do USA zahájen někdy 1.června. K tomu je nutné připočítat min. týden až 3 než zboží dorazí do skladů. Z příspěvku teoreticky vyplývá, že bude i evropský HUB. Snad to bude za stejnou částku a s bonusy. :)

''Michal Bořek''>Podle [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017607.html příspěvku] by měl webový shop odkazovat na us i eu a to vypadá čím dál nadějnějš co se týká poštovného aj cla.

''Pavel Kovář'' jestli to dobře překládám tak není jasné jakým způsobem to půjde z činy - jestli lodí nebo letadlem ?

''Jan Mareš''> Ano, aspoň takto jsem to pochopil i já. Problémem je ta doba dodání. Jinak co se týká vyřízení JSD (cla), tak u zprostředkovatele [http://www.kama-eu.cz/ KAMA s.r.o.>, jež mi doporučil celní úřad, vychází na cca 1000 Kč viz ceník, což mi připadá přijatelné.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> No mně ty informace od Steva přijdou vždycky nějaké zmatené. Nevědí jestli lodí nebo letadlem, ale odejít by to snad mělo až 1.6. (nebo co má znamenat to datum, v jeho zprávě), takže to ještě docela potrvá... :-(
Jan Mareš: můžeš prosím popsat co přesně má být těch 1000Kč a jak se na to přijde? Já tomu pořád nějak nerozumím...

''Pavel Kovář''>> best case is I would start to test phones around the first of june. Then
pack and ship.
1.6. začíná testovat telefony a potm je balit a odesílat. 
The factory made us do one more Pre MP run to maximize yield. basically you
build a XyZ phones. you test them, Xy% pass the test, and the factory says.
"good. can you reduce the test time and decrease the false negatives on the
test software, because that bad phone really was good." arrg. Ale toto nějak moc nechápu.

''Jan Mareš''> Vychází to takto: 250 Kč (vypracování JSD), 30 Kč (vypracování hodnoty), 250 Kč (jednani za deklaranta), 30 Kč (avízo) a pak asi ručení (350). Je to můj odhad a po konkrétním dotaze by měli sdělit částku. Asi tedy bude třeba připočítat poštovné (250 Kč). Zatím jsem jim napsal dotaz ohledně nepodnikající osoby s tímto množstvím, tak jsem zvědav kdy odpoví.
Tu další část považuji za povzdychnutí, kdy jim vyrobili více telefonů z nichž jen část prošla a továrna chce tohle číslo minimalizovat a že dané chyby byly spíše SW povahy.

''Pavel Kovář'' Podle toho co píšeš bych řekl že by vyšlo levněj kdyby jsme brali všechny telefony dohromady.Jaké má výhody osamostatnění Prahy ?

''Michal Bořek'' No nedokazeme pojistit 30telefonu na jejich cenu pri doprave, ale jinak pokud by to clo vyrizovala firma asi by to bylo vyhodnejsi.

''Jan Mareš''> Trochu mě znepokojují zprávy v community e-mail archivu, kde uvádějí, že openmoko e-shop využívá služeb UPS. U nich by nebyl problém s pojištěním, ale ty ceny. Cena je de facto konstantní na cca 600$ (při 10kg balíčku), takže pak by bylo vhodné objednávku shrnout dohromady. Pak by to vycházelo o cca 10$ na hlavu více. Snažím se přesvědčit otce jako OSVČ, že by byla objednávka napsaná na něj a tím pádem by odpadl problém s využitím výše uvedené společnosti od nichž jsem dostal zamítavé stanovisko ohledně "neobchodní zásilky".

Pak už zbývá využít evropského distributora Pulster.de . Teoreticky mi vychází částka při dovozu z US na 7600 Kč a u Pulsteru na 7 660Kč bez poštovné. Avšak za předpokladu společné hromadné objednávky. V opačném případě je nutné připočíst u US objednávky cca tisícovku (při 10 lidech).

Zapomněl jsem tedy dodat, že zboží by bylo v republice za 4-5 dnů + pár dnů na vyřízení celního řízení.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> veškeré spekulace jsou zatím velmi předběžné, protože ani sami prodejci ještě nemají jasno, za jakých podmínek budou FreeRunner prodávat. Každopádně Pulster se mi docela zamlouvá (viz níže), vypadá že s panem majitelem se dá rozumně domluvit. Asi mu řeknu že objednávám telefonů 40, aby byl kdyžtak ochoten větší slevy nebo nějakého zvýhodnění a nechám tu zásilku jenom rozdělit a poslat do Prahy a sobě... Ale jak říkám, pořád ještě je všechno předběžné, definitivně se rozhodne asi už během tohoto měsíce.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> Ještě jedna novinka: pan Christoph Pulster z pulster.de mně oznámil zahájení prodeje debug boardu za "lidovou" cenu 149€ což je docela rozdíl oproti 99$... Takže jak říkám, všechno jsou teď jenom teoretické úvahy jak objednávku zorganizovat. Ikdyž osobně dávám pulster.de naděje, myslím, že se na ceně jak debugboardu, tak telefonu, bude dát domluvit, stejně jako nulová cena za dopravu zní přijatelně :-)

''Pavel Kovář''> Pražáků je docela nešťastý počet. Jediné co mně napadá je pokusit se domluvit s Plusterem že by vzal 4 desítky z toho nám přeposlal těch 34 a zbytek by si nechal a prodal. A taky chci poděkovat Martinu Šenkeříkovi za to že se o nás tak stará.

''Jan Mareš''>Tak je otázkou jak vlastně Pulster bude fungovat. Jako evropský distributor by měl od openmoko odbržet třeba 500ks (na dluh), které pak prodává. Z tohoto pohledu je jedno jaký počet telefonů se objedná. Pochybuji, že ta distribuce je založena na tom, že mi mu zaplatíme a on to objedná z US skladu. Pak by se určitě lépe hodil nákup přímo z US, kdy skrze UPS by se vyřídily všechny formality s celním úřadem. Rozhodující je konečná cena u Pulsteru.

''Radek Machulka'' > Tak to vypada, ze si budeme moci vybrat: [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019117.html list]

''Jan Mareš''> Žel s ohledem na co nejnižší cenu jsou oba distributori mimo hru, kdy se pohybujeme s cenou kolem 8 700Kč, což je hnedle o tisícikorunu více než při objednání z US. Doufejme, že Pulster nahodí lepší cenu.

''Pavel Kovář'' > To je mrzuté. Vypadá to, že se všichni distributoři rozhodli, že si na tom namastí kapsu a spoléhají na to, že nic podobného neexistuje a že je to novinka...

''Michal Bořek'' >> Podle té dvojnásobné ceny debug boardu se dá soudit, že nám nic jiného než US nezbude,tyhle EU distributoři jsou fakt jen zlatokopové.

''Pavel Kovář'' >>> Doufám že je amíci nezančou dorovnávat.

''Martin Šenkeřík'' > Jak jsem už několikrát psal, na jakékoliv spekulace je pořád brzo, situace se stále vyvíjí -> pulster dnes debugboard oficiálně slevnil na 99€. Takže ještě pořád není rozhodnuto. Prostě počkáme s čím kdo přijde (případně distributory trošku nakopnu sám :-)). "Amíci" je rozhodně dorovnávat nezačnou, když od "amíků" to ti Evropští distributoři objednávají ;-)

''Miloslav Machotka'' > K diskuzi o zvolení prodejce. Já jsem určitě pro Pulster. Cena je myslím dobrá a hlavně to ušetří Martinu Šenkeříkovi práci, které s náma má i tak dost. A pokud jsem to správně pochopil, řeší to i problém s počtem telefonů nedělitelným deseti. Všichni dostanou za svoje peníze totéž.

''František Horínek'' > Veľmi si vážim to, čo pre nás Martin Šenkeřík robí ale mam pocit, že 299€ je viac ako $399 a potom sa stráca akákoľvek zľava. Neviete niekto koľko by stála doprava z USA?

''Miloslav Machotka'' >> Podle dnešního kurzu to vychází následovně. 299€ = 7240 kč. 369$ = 5777kč * 1,19 DPH = 6875 kč. A to v tom nemáte dopravu a tu práci s vyřizováním. Nabídka Pulsteru mi přijde jako výhodná.

''Martin Šenkeřík'' >> Ok, myslel jsem že je to tu někde sepsané, ale radši to připomenu: 299€ (cca 7300Kč) je definitivní cena, to je cifra kterou dá každý z nás za telefon v případě objednávky od Pulstera.
Naopak cena 369$ (cca 5830Kč) není ani zdaleka konečná. Připočítáme daň 19% a dostaneme se na cca 7000Kč. Stále ještě zbývá připočítat clo a poštovné (aspoň doufám, že jsem správně pochopil, co se podařilo zjistit ostatním). A to nepočítám pravděpodobné papírování a obíhání úřadů (ikdyž někdo myslím psal, že UPS to všechno řeší sama). Když už ne levněji, tak to vyjde minimálně na stejno... Kdyžtak mě doplňte/opravte, kdo se těmi cly zabýval hlouběji.

''Jan Mareš'' > Hezky shrnuto. UPS veškeré papírování ohledně DPH a cla řeší. Telefony spadají do 0% cla, takže se platí jen DPH, které je však vypočítávané i s dopravou, která je je celkem vysoká, aspoň při vypůjčení odhadů od Švýcarů, tj. 3kg za 10 telefonů, tak poštovné bude činit přes 10 000Kč. Takže to vychází nastejno či díky klesajícímu euru i výhodněji. Navíc plusem je 2letá záruka, naproti jednoleté z US.

''František Horínek'' >> Ďakujem za objasnenie na DPH som úplne zabudol. Máte pravdu je to výhodné

''Luboš Podrázský'' >> Zdravím, tak jsem taky pro Pulster.de. Cena vyjde víceméně nastejno, méně starostí pro organizátory, delší záruka a jestli se tím vyřeší i počet kusů nedělitelný 10-ti, tak asi neni co řešit.

''Michal Pěnka'' > Podle všech informací tady a na hlavní stránce groupsales se také přikláním k pulster. Dvouletá záruka není zanedbatelná. Už se těším :)

''Karel Volný'' > Pokud od Pulster dostaneme totéž, jako bychom dostali z USA, tak těch případných pár korun navíc klidně obětuju ve prospěch jednodušší organizace.

''Pavel Kovář'' > jestli jsem dobře pochopil zprávu na [[Community Updates]] tak by se 4.Července mělo začít prodávat. (...) Jak vůbec bude probíhat potenciální vyřizování reklamace ? Já teda doufám že při prvních kusech budou číňani odpočatí a budou dělat kvalitně, ale při mém štěstí úplně vidím jak to zapnu a ono to zasmrdí...

''Radek Machulka'' > Co se týče objednávky, já osobně bych počkal na zahájení prodeje, t.j. na dobu, kdy bude jasné kdo a za jakých podmínek bude FR prodávat. Je pochopitelné, že Pulster.de nemůže potvrdit konečnou cenu, protože si ji víceméně vycucal z prstu.

''Jan Mareš'' > Pulster předobjednávky nebere, tady jde spíše o stanovení částky, kterou Martin bude vybírat, aby se vracely jen drobné. Jde o urychlení objednávky, aby na nás vyšli ty univerzální stylusy. :) Ještě je nutné připočíst cca 3 dny na převod peněz na jejich účet. Ohledně té reklamace, tak při tomto způsobu objednání je nutné reklamované zboží zaslat do Pulsteru, kde bude reklamace vyřizována. Šlo by to přímo u FICu, ale české zastoupení prochází převzetím, viz vyjádření níže. Co jsem doposud zachytil, tak všechny FR jsou před balením testovány na funkčnost, takže může dojít k poškození jedině při přepravě, což bychom měli zachytit při přebírání zboží v Brně. Dle dostupných fotek balení jsou FR bytelně baleni, takže ani toto by nemělo hrozit.

''Pavel Kovář'' >> Jasně že dělají všecko proto aby byl počet reklamací co nejnižší, konec konců šetří tak peníze sami sobě, ale jsou věci které se dost dobře odzkoušet nedají. Naštěstí FR nemá žádné klouby nebo kryty které by se časem mohly rozpadnout takže mi snad vydrží aspoň 5 let. (...) není jedno jestli se vrací 5korun nebo pětistovka ?

''Radek Machulka'' > Já spíš tlumil to nadšení z pulster.de jako nejvýhodnějšího prodejce. Taky si nemyslím, že by nějaký prodejce byl potenciálně vhodnější z pohledu uplatňování případných reklamací.

''Pavel Kovář'' >> Tak pluster láká dvouletou zárukou.

''Pavel Kovář'' >> Jestli to s Plusterem bude fungovat tak, že pošlu 7500 (tj 300EUR) a dostanu za to FR tak, sice nerad, ale oželím i ten obal. Ono z USA to nejspíš stejně nevyjde o moc levněj. Jestli vůbec. Pokud vezmu 369USD s kurzem 16Kč a k tomu 19% DPH tak jmse rázem na sedmi tisících a to jsme ještě nezaplatili poštovné, na které se to DPH taky vzathuje, + přpadné poplatky za bůhví co.
Já jsem pro pluster.

''Vojtěch Vozáb'' >> Asi bych taky byl pro pulster, protože dokud napevno neurčí cenu tak objednávka není závazná (opravte mě jestli se pletu), takže kdyby nějak zásadně zdražil, může se přinejhorším objednávka zrušit a objednat z Ameriky. Hlavně by bylo dobré vyřešit to rychle, pro mě je poslední termín kdy můžu zaplatit ve čtvrtek 26. června a pak až 4. července, mezi tím jsem pryč. To by sice mohlo stačit, protože prodej imho stejně dříve než 4. nezačne, ale bylo by samozřejmě lepší mít jistotu a shromáždit peníze v předstihu.

''Martin Šenkeřík'' > S Vojtou jsme to pořešili. A teď abysme zabili nějaký čas, než dorazí telefony k distributorům, bych se vás chtěl zeptat, jestli vám stačí, když číslo účtu pak pošlu mailem, hodím na svůj server a napíšu na wiki? Jestli se to někomu zdá málo bezpečné, navrhněte prosím lepší způsob.

''František Horínek'' > Ja si osobne myslím, že mail podpísaný pgp-čkom určite nič nepokazíte. Tiež by nebolo zle hodiť to na osobný server z SSL a rozdistribuovať fingerprint certifikátu. Možno ešte spraviť SHA a/alebo MD5 sumy čísla účtu/IP adresy servera. Hashe a fingerprinty rozosielať iba mejlom. Možno spraviť IRC server na ktorý sa bude dať dostať iba cez VPN/SSH z overovaním kľúča. Samotná komunikácia môže prebiehať v nejakej klasickej šifre napr. Vernamova šifra, ktorá je doteraz považovaná bez klúča za neprelomitelnú. Ale to už je moc veľa paranoje, či nie? :-)

''František Horínek'' > teraz ma napadlo, že by sa dali použiť slová z mejlov, keď ste si kontrolovali naše adresy z distribučnej siete, na prístup na v osobný server, Server by sa potom autentifikoval inou časťou mejlu, potom by sa zobrazilo číslo účtu. Tieto texty by potencionálny útočník nemal ako získať.

Napr 1-3 slovo z prvého odstavca mejlu

ssh/https: zadajte 1-3 slovo z 1 odstavca mejlu
zadám: "Dnes bylo oficialne"
odpove: 4-5 slovo 1 odstavec "potvrzeno zahajeni"; čislo účtu je 123456789

tým pádom získam informáciu ktorá je adresovaná len pre oúzky kruh ľudí a ja viem, že tá informácia nie je podvodná.

Len preto, že som paranoidný neznamená, že ma nesledujú. Idú po mne. :-D

'' Martin Šenkeřík '' > Uf... No problém je jeden, právě mně dorazil email z Pulster s exkluzivní nabídkou: dorazila mu první zásilka telefonů, obchod ještě neotevírá, ale nám už to nabízí ke koupi. Tzn. můžeme začít vybírat peníze, cenu 299€ potvrdil. Bližší info zveřejním za chvíli. A já už takovou ověřovací aplikaci nestihnu implementovat. Můžeme ještě využít jabber ohin@jabbim.cz - někteří lidé se mnou už komunikovali, takže potvrdí že za ním jsem opravdu já. A můžu pro největší paranoiky odpovědět libovolné otázky. Příp. mám v profilu vyplněn i telefon na sebe.

''Pavel Kovář'' >> Pokud mám číslo účtu někoho - jak mu s tím můžu ublížit? Já bych to s tím zabezpečování nepřeháněl. Už jenom proto že posílám nemalý peníz na účet člověka, kterého jsem nikdy neviděl. Rozešli mailem variabilní symboly nebo něco podobného ať naše platby můžeš identifikovat. a nebo ti můžeme do zprávy pro příjemce napsat každý svoje jméno.

''Milan Šedý'' >> Taky myslím, že nemusíme být až tak paranoidní. Na identifikaci stačí podle mě zpráva pro příjemce se jménem.

''Jan Černý'' >> Jestli jsem správně pochopil ten email od Pulstera, tak se všechno příslušenství včetně obalu a headsetu musí objednat zvlášť. Jak se to bude zařizovat?

''Pvael Kovář''>>> No já to mám zařízené tak, že obal mně ušije ségra na narozky a bez headsetu se obejdu.

=== Doplňující informace ===
* '''Vyjádření Pulster.de na objednávku většího množství telefonů:'''
Hello,

on OpenMoko wiki they announced: "Every 10 pack, will come with
a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets." Will this offer
also be available in your shop? Some discount and bonus gadgets?
I already want to order 20-30 phones to Czech Republic, so I am
trying to find the best way, how to order this amount. Either
from USA or from EU.

Thank you, Martin Senkerik

Hello,

thanks a lot for asking. Right now we dont have Freerunner in
stock, so no idea about earphones/pouches, sorry.
I am happy to provide Czech users with OpenMokos. No customs,
no paperwork, I have a lot CZ customers.
Allow me to put you on the info list once it is avalaible and you
get clear infos about all. We can work out free shipping and
maybe some goodies.

heres the standard info text:

The new modell is called "Freerunner" (version GTA02).
It will be available end of June 2008. We try to aim 300-350 EUR
sales price.
Once it's ready to ship, you willfind it in our shop.
We do not make pre-orders of items we dont have in hands,
so please understand. Once the Freerunner is in stock, ready to
ship, we will send you a one-time info mail (we do not send
you any spam, dont worry).

Of course we are happy you bookmark us and come back to check
for the nice Freerunner. Please find a small datasheet here:
http://www.pulster.de/info/pdas/openmoko/freerunner-flyer.pdf

Beste Gruesse aus Leimen,
Christoph Pulster

* '''Moje komunikace s pobočkou FIC v ČR:'''
Dobrý den,

Taiwanský FIC v nejbližších dnech začne s prodejem mobilního telefonu
Neo FreeRunner (www.openmoko.com). Chci se zeptat, jestli bude možné případné
reklamace a opravy řešit u vás?

Zatím není známý přesný způsob distribuce tohoto telefonu pro Evropu
a Českou republiku. Nebude vaše pobočka zapojena do distribuční sítě?

Děkuji za odpověď, Martin Šenkeřík
Odpověď:
Dobrý den,

FIC CZ s.r.o. v těchto měsících přechází pod Foxconn CZ.
V případě reklamace či informací se obracejte přímo na FIC TW.
Kontaktní osobou na Zákaznickém oddělení je

Mr. James Chang
Customer Service Department
Te.: +886 2 8751 8751 ext.6196
James_chang@fic.com.tw

S pozdravem

Jarka Ripplova

* '''Dotaz na celní úřad ohledně zpracování zásilky:'''
Věc: Informace

K Vaší žádosti o informaci týkající se hromadného dovozu zásilky pro osobní
potřebu více příjemců Vám sdělujeme:

Za zásilku zboží neobchodní povahy se ve smyslu celních předpisů považují
zásilky, které jsou dováženy příležitostně a které obsahují výhradně zboží
určené k osobnímu užití příjemců nebo jejich rodin, přičemž toto zboží nesmí
povahou ani množstvím svědčit o obchodním úmyslu dovozce. Z uvedeného
vyplývá, že tzv. sběrná zásilka nemůže být považována za zásilku zboží
neobchodní povahy, i když obsah je určen pro osobní potřebu soukromých osob.
Při dovozu zásilky obchodní povahy je zásilka zadržena při vstupu na celní
území EU a příjemce vyzván k předložení celního prohlášení. Celní formality
uskutečňuje příjemce, který má příslušné oprávnění pro hospodářskou nebo
obchodní činnost.

Pro zboží zařazené v některé z podpoložek čísla 8517 je celním sazebníkem EU
stanovena sazba cla 0 %. Při dovozu zásilky zboží obchodního charakteru
celní orgány posuzují, zda zboží nepodléhá zvláštnímu řízení podle zákona č.
38/1994 Sb., o zahraničním obchodu s vojenským materiálem. Vedle cla se při
propuštění dovezeného zboží do volného oběhu v tuzemsku vyměřuje DPH v
základní sazbě 19 %. Základem pro vyměření DPH je cena, za kterou bylo zboží
prodáno do EU, ke které se přičtou náklady na dopravu zásilky do EU, podle
příslušných ustanovení zákona o DPH.

Celní dluh, jehož součástí je i DPH, se vyměří v českých korunách z celní
hodnoty převedené na české koruny v kurzu platném pro příslušné období.
Aktuální kurzy měn jsou uveřejněny na stránkách Celní správy České republiky
www.cs.mfcr.cz cestou Servis - Kurzovní lístky.

== To open Colombia groupsales ==

I wan to open the Colombia-Bogotá group sales.
I want Neo advanced, no matter if the rest of the people wants the other.
my mail: arawaco@ieee.org
Ideas are welcome

== USA ==
=== [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#San_Francisco_Bay_Area San Francisco Bay Area] ===
If everyone agrees [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/wolfmanjm I] will pick up and pay for the 10 units from Fremont.
Payment Options...
* Bring cash to the arranged meetup to get the device. (I can arrange to meet up with individuals if needed)
* We need to pay CA tax so keep that in mind, I'll try to get the exact price prior to pickup
* Make sure you have confirmed with me your intention to buy the unit, the priority order will be the order that the list is currently in, any unconfirmed member of the group will be slipped to the bottom of the list on the day the units are available

[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/dufflebunk dufflebunk]
I'm all alone in the second group. I guess if anyone from the first group has to drop out I'll be happy to take their place. I would prefer cash (or cheque), Paypal sucks.

[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/krid krid said: ]
I'm in for cash, just tell me where to show up. However, unless Steve says it'll be massively boring, I'd like to go to Fremont and see the facility. I'll be out of town at OSCON the last week of July, so hopefully we'll be able to do this before then. If not, I'll make arrangements with Jim.

[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/wolfmanjm Jim said: ]
I'll let everyone know when I'm going to Fremont to pick them up (Sounds like the first week in July), so anyone who wants to tag along is welcome and we can distribute them then and there.

[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Cry_Regarder Cry Regarder] At the time I moved myself from separate monterey to san francisco, there were 8 folks listed. That was 27 May. Jim Lutz wasn't in the list yet. Accordingly, I moved one of mine from the post 10 to above and swapped Jim Lutz down.

[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Xeromist Kelley said: ]
That's fine Jim. I didn't ask to be given any special treatment and I want everything to remain fair. If we are able to form 2 full groups are you willing to buy for both or will we need to select a distributor for group 2 as well?

[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/wolfmanjm Jim said: ]
I suspect we will need a second coordinator for the second group, $4k is a lot to fork out at one time, $8k is out of the question for me! However right now I think we can get everyone who has replied a unit from the first 10, unless one of the non-repliers contacts me before we pick up we won't need a second group.

[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Cry_Regarder Cry Regarder] I emailed "Steve" at openmoko and he said that they are working on the logistics for bulk buys of fractional case lots for quantities over 10. I don't know if they'll sort it out before they arrive though. Another possibility is to join in with LA...they'll probably appreciate having them picked up.

Discuss any other ideas here.

Openmoko Local Groups: Netherlands

2008-05-07T08:45:02Z

Nicolas:

=== Possible Participants ===
{|border=1
!Name
!Skills
!Level of Interest
!Ordered version
!Location
!Other
|-
|[[User:CathodioN|Geert Schuring]]
|Java EE, XML, UML
|Would like to develop Server components
|
|Ede, Gelderland
|willing to organize stuff i.e. meeting location/whatever.
|-
|[[User:Kero|Kero]]
|Ruby
|dbus and pim applications
|Base GTA01BV4
|Eindhoven
|
|-
|[[User:Ericsmith|Eric Smith]]
|Perl, Linux, VoIP
|
|
|Amsterdam
|Share Ideas, VoIP, GPS, SyncML
|-
|[[User:das_nl|Daniel Peptu]]
| C/C++, Java, .Net, Python
|
|Adv. kit GTA01BV4
|Den Haag
|
|-
|[[User:Boudewijn|Boudewijn]]
|general
|Looking for some participants in a group order
|
|Zwolle
|
|-
|[[User:tHe_IkkE|Walter Goossens]]
|(ARM)Kernel programming, OpenEmbedded, C/C++, Java, VHDL
|Would like to contribute to the kernel and other low-level stuff
|Adv. kit GTA01BV4
|Tilburg
|
|-
|[[User:Noud|Noud de Brouwer]]
|software development
|NetBSD on-top the Neo 1973
|qemu
|Goirle
|
|-
|[[User:Marnix.klooster|Marnix Klooster]]
|C/C++, Java, Python, Perl
|
|Neo FreeRunner
|Veenendaal
|-
|[[User:ChristW|Christ van Willegen]]
|C/C++
|OpenStreetMap stuff
|Neo FreeRunner
|Eindhoven
|Looking for group-order participants
|-
|[[User:KenSentMe|Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]]
|Journalist
|Looking for group-order participants
|Neo FreeRunner
|Griendtsveen (LB)
|Interested in gps opportunities
|-
|[[User:Nicolas|Nico Veenkamp]]
|Projectmanagement
|Looking for group-order participants
|Neo FreeRunner
|Nijkerk (GLD)
|Interested in all kinds of usage for the freerunner
|}
[[Category:Community]]
[[Category: OpenMoko Local Groups| ]]

User:Nicolas

2008-05-07T08:39:18Z

Nicolas: New page: Hi, I am Nico Veenkamp. I am an Open Source addict from Nijkerk and involved in the Ubuntu community. As a fan of Open Source I would like to use a free phone such as the FreeRunner. Looki...

Hi, I am Nico Veenkamp. I am an Open Source addict from Nijkerk and involved in the Ubuntu community. As a fan of Open Source I would like to use a free phone such as the FreeRunner. Looking forward to get my hands on one.

Group sales

2008-05-07T08:37:16Z

Nicolas: /* Nijmegen */

Openmoko have announced a scheme to sell the forthcoming Neo Freerunner at a discount if bought in multiples of 10 (US$369, instead of 399), to be shipped in one package. Group buying will thus save money on the purchase, and on the shipping. This page is to to organise group purchases by region.

Steve from Openmoko announced "Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets."
So join us within a local group !

<div style='float:right'>__TOC__</div>

== Australia ==
=== Western Australia ===
==== Perth ====

* 1x Fred Janon mailto:fjanon@yahoo.com

* 1x Shanon Loughton [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/cgltower contact me here]

* 1x Simon Matthews [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/simat contact me here]

* 1x ([[Image:MokoBox.jpg]] - advanced) Msquared [http://www.msquared.id.au/ contact me here]

* 1x Alex Wilkinson mailto:alex.wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au

=== New South Wales ===
==== Sydney ====

status: 7/10

Please add a I exist to end of your name here.

Also, Sydney seems to now have 7 people - perhaps if we do not reach 10 we can join with Melbourne and get them shipped to Australia, then moved domestically to the other city.

* 1 x dbmoodb ---> [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Dbmoodb contact me here] I exist.
* 1 x Mark Chandler [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Openmarko contact me here]
* 1 x bing [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Bingquick contact me here]
* 1 x Chris [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/ch0gan contact me here]. I exist.
* 1 x Neil Brown [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Neilbrown contact me here]
* 1 x Rob [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Rob contact me here]
* 1 x Tim [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Voyd contact me here] I am almost certain I exist.

=== Victoria ===
==== Melbourne ====
Status: 6/10

* 4x Dennis Wollersheim, mailto: dewoller (at) gmail (dot) com
* 1x Nigel Cunningham, mailto: ncunningham (at) crca (dot) org (dot) au
(I'm actually in Cobden, in the south-west)
* 1x Dale Maggee, mailto: antisol (at) earthling (dot) net

=== ACT ===
==== Canberra ====
Status: 2/10

* J Dinale [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Noledil Contact me here]
* Fergus [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Someone Contact me here]

=== Queensland ===
==== Brisbane ====
Status: 4/10 (possibly 20)

* Nick Devereaux x 2 [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Monkeypanic Contact me here]
* Matt Gallagher [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/mattg Contact me here]
* Jordan Keith [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Zedd_D1abl0 Contact me here]

=== South Australia ===
==== Adelaide ====
Status: 4/10

* Adrian Billiau [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Carcin Contact me here]
* John Briggs [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Erflungued Contact me here]
* Daniel Sobey [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/dns Contact me here]
* Nicholas Steicke [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/narthollis Contact me here]

== Austria ==
There is a group-buy page at MetaLab, available here: http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko .. we almost have the full 10 slots assigned, and its quite possible that we will order *20* phones, so please register on the Metalab pages and let us know if you're interested ..

=== Salzburg ===
Status: 1/10

* D. Kepplinger [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Wedge Contact me here]
=== Wien ===
Status: 2/10
* M. Greifeneder [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/mikegr Contact me here]
* J. Vaughan (torpor) -- http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/torpor Contact me here]

=== Styria ===
==== Graz ====
Status: 7/10

* F Hackenberger [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Deadman66 Contact me here]
* J Florineth [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Flojoh Contact me here]
* G Michelitsch [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/graf_ithaka Contact me here] (I've found others @ TU Graz !)
* R Stoegbuchner [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/stoero Contact me here]
* M Lipp [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Neldoreth Contact me here]
* M Maier [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/species Contact me here]
* M Konrad [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/konni Contact me here]

== Belgium ==
=== Flanders ===
==== Brussel/Aalst/Gent/Brugge ====
Status 8/10
* Yorick, mailto: yorick DOT matthys AT gmail DOT com
* 2x Dolfje [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Dolfje Contact me here]
* XVens, mailto: xavier DOT vens AT gmail DOT com
* Arno85, mailto: aaron DOT helin AT gmail DOT com, Kortrijk
* Rubenv, mailto: ruben D0T vandamme MAILAT belgacom D0T net, Kortrijk
* Philoufr, mailto: philoufr AT gmail DOT com
* Js Op de Beeck [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Js.opdebeeck Contact me here]
ps: Dolfje can bring freerunners to Brugge if needed

==== Antwerp ====
Status 5/10

* michielv [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Michielv Contact me here]
* Peter N [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Bubsy Contact me here]
* Ivo [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Ivo Contact me here]
* Peter Leemans, mailto: peter AT x-tend DOT be
* Richard B [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/richardb Contact me here]

== Bulgaria ==
=== Sofia ===
==== Sofia ====
Status : 2/10

* Dimitar Staykov, mailto:meditache@gmail.com
* Vernim, [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Vernim Contact]

== Canada ==

=== British Columbia ===
Status : 9/10

* Justin (Vancouver): mailto: stryderjzw AT gmail
* Dave (Vancouver) Vancouver Linux users group (unconfirmed but about 7 so far): mailto: doc AT skynet REMOVE dot REMOVE ie
* Steven (Victoria) - If someone in the group will remail the package for me. mailto: skurylo --> gmail dot com

=== Alberta ===
Status : 3/10

* [[User:Wuth|Wuth]] : [mailto:wuth@acm.org]
* [[User:Slm3095om|stacy]] (2 units) : slm3095om AT millions dOt ca

=== Ontario/Quebec ===
==== GTA (Toronto) ====
Status : 12/10

* Gerald A [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Historybuff Contact me here]
* MattC, mailto: quirkz AT gmail
* Sergey K, openmoko AT deeptown dOt org
* Peter Baldwin, vendor.openmoko AT pointclark DOT net ('''3 units''')
* Kristin Low, kristin dot low at gmail dot com (Kingston)
* Daniel Lister, dan.lister-->gmail
* Ronnie Wong: '''3 units''' - r25wong AT ryerson dOT ca
* Paul V [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Roju Contact me here]

Group 2 Status (Hamilton): 2/10

* Gabriel D - ace AT staticwave DOT ca
* Richard D - rtdegelder --> gmail.com

== Chile ==
=== Santiago ===
Status : 4/10

* [[User:Mankeke]] Ricardo Manríquez C., mailto: ricardo.manriquez "remove this and add AT" gmail "dot" com
* [[User:XKnightmareX]] Gonzalo Pesenti., mailto: mare.knight1 "remove this and add AT" gmail "dot" com
* [[User:Freyes]] Felipe Reyes., mailto: felipereyes "remove this and add AT" gmail "dot" com
* [[User:Zeus]] Jonathan Gonzalez., mailto: zeus "remove this and add AT" gnu "dot" org

== China ==
Status:4/10

*Luther mailto:lutherluo@qq.com 2 freerunner and 1 debug board.
*Pccpu mailto:LFZILFZI@YAHOO.COM.CN MSN:LFZI@SINA.COM 1 freerunner
*Gnosy mailto:gnosyhh@gmail.com 1 freerunner and 1 debug board.

== Denmark ==
If we do not reach a total large enough, Denmark **is** a very small place - surely we could figure out a way of getting them to find their way 'round the country :)

=== Jutland ===
==== Aalborg ====
Status: 3/10

Should anyone need it, transportation from Aalborg to Thisted for phones can be arranged, if you don't want to pick it up in Aalborg yourself :) ~~leinir

* Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen mailto:admin@leinir.dk [[User:Leinir]]
* Fabian Olesen mailto:firewalkerx@gmail.com
* Helge Willum Larsen mailto:helge.at.helges.dk

==== Skjern ====
Status: 1/10

* [[User:Carlo]]

=== Fyn ===
Status: 4/10

* [[User:EsbenDamgaard]] (need 3 (Looney & Gert))
* [[User:apm]]

=== Sjælland ===
==== Copenhagen ====
Status: 25/10

* [[User:Fursund]]
* [[User:Rasmusjensen]]
* [[User:tabac]] Thomas Ammitzbøll-Bach
* [[User:chel | Christian E. Lysel ]]
* [[User:UlrikRasmussen | Ulrik Rasmussen]]
* [[User:KlaymenDK | Jan Gundtofte-Bruun]] (Pending final hw, eg. low-power LEDs)
* [[User:OleTange | Ole Tange]] (I need 14 with invoice)
* [[User:Pascal | Pascal d'Hermilly]] (I need 1 with invoice)
* [[User:Miwer]] Michael Andersen
* [[User:maha | Martin Hansen]] (3 with invoice)

== Finland ==
=== Uusimaa ===
==== Helsinki I (Full)====
Status : 10/10

* Mikko Rauhala x2 [mailto:mjr@iki.fi mjr@iki.fi]
* Aleksi Hankalahti [mailto:aleksi.hankalahti@iki.fi aleksi.hankalahti@iki.fi]
* Seppo Hätönen [mailto:karrde@iki.fi karrde@iki.fi]
* Arttu Sund [mailto:thearttu@gmail.com thearttu@gmail.com]
* Ville-Pekka Vainio vpivaini AT cs.helsinki.fi
* Heikki Hallamaa [mailto:heikki.hallamaa@iki.fi heikki.hallamaa@iki.fi]
* Tomi Jylhä-Ollila tomi.jylha-ollila@helsinki.fi
* Richard Braakman
* Timo Jyrinki [mailto:timo.jyrinki@iki.fi timo.jyrinki@iki.fi]

==== Helsinki II, Turku & Vaasa (Full)====

Status : 10/10

'''[[User:Piksi|Check & comment on my userpage for discussing payment & mail options]]'''

Helsinki:

* [[User:Piksi]] openmoko ÄT pi-xi PISTE net
* Risto H. Kurppa risto AT kurppa DOT fi
* Aapo Rantalainen aapo DOT rantalainen AT gmail DOT com
* Matti Laakso matti DOT laakso AT kotiposti DOT net
* Ismo Haanaho ismo DOT haanaho AT gmail DOT com

Turku:

* 2x Teemu Välimäki, [mailto:teemu.valimaki@iki.fi teemu.valimaki@iki.fi]
* Jaakko Lehtinen, jaakko dot lehtinen at gmail dot com
* Janne Junnila, janne dot junnila at gmail dot com

Vaasa:

* Mikko Niemikorpi, mikefulli ÄT gmail PISTE com

== France ==
=== Bretagne ===
==== Brest ====
Status : 1/10

* StevenLeRoux [mailto:steven@pourri.fr steven@pourri.fr] Jabber_Id:Steven@jabber.fr
* Acheteur potentiel #2

==== Rennes ====
Status : 2/10

* Cédric DUFOUIL (openmoko at tsleg point com)
* Yves MAHE (ymahe at zindep dot com)

=== Pays de la Loire ===
==== La Roche sur Yon ====
Status : 1/10

* [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Vtouchar Vincent Touchard] (I may soon move to Bretagne/Brest)

==== Nantes ====

* [[User:Yoann|Yoann ARNAUD]]. OK for a ship in Rennes if needed. [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Yoann Contact me here]

=== Ile de france ===
==== Paris ====
Status : 11/10

* StevenLeRoux
* [[User:Phyce|Phyce]]
* Yann SLADEK ([http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Maveryck Contact me here])
* [[User:Wilk|Wilk]] [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Wilk Contact me here]
* Jonathan Magano ([http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/JonathanMM Contact me here])
* Benjamin Renard (bn8[AT]zionetrix.net)
* [[User:OlivierBerger|OlivierBerger]]
* [[User:BartGS|BartGS]] [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/BartGS Contact me here]
* [[User:rcoscali|Rémi Cohen-Scali]]
* [[User:Valos|Valéry Febvre]]
* [[User:Manou|Emmanuel Raviart]]

You may also see :
http://bearstech.com/openmoko/register

=== Lorraine ===
==== Nancy ====
Status : 1/10

* [[User:mosan|Nicolas Salles]]

=== Rhône-Alpes ===
==== Lyon ====
Status : 2/10

* [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/patou Vincent MEURISSE]
* [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/pini Gilles FILIPPINI]

==== Grenoble ====
Status : 2/10

* [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/pbollard Philippe BOLLARD]
* [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/aurelien Aurelien]

=== Provence Alpes Cote d'Azur ===
==== Sophia Antipolis ====
Status : 1/10

* [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/nico.inc Nicolas HUOT]

== Germany ==
=== Sachsen-Anhalt ===
==== Stendal (evtl. Magdeburg) ====
Status 1/10

* Fabian Off [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Fabian2de Contact me here]

=== Hamburg ===
==== Hamburg ====
Status 9-10

* Jan 4-5[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Jan07 Contact me here]
* Varacanero [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/varacanero Contact me here]
* Ole 3-5 pcs [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Olemoko Contact me here]
* Arne [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/GuraX Contact me here]

=== Hessen ===
==== Frankfurt ====
Status 1-10

* Blacky [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Blacky Contact me here]

=== Sachsen ===
==== Chemnitz ====
Status 2/10

* Tobias [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Tobydox Contact me here]
* Michael [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/her Contact me here]
==== Dresden ====
Status 1/10

* Martin [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/nodge Contact me here]

=== Thueringen ===
==== Weimar ====
Status 1/10

* [[User:Fries43]]

=== NRW ===
==== Bielefeld ====
Status 4/10

* David, infos on my [[User:Raven|user page]], or you can [[Special:Emailuser/Raven|contact me here]]
* Sebastian, infos on my [[User:Seppi|user page]], or you can [[Special:Emailuser/Seppi|contact me here]]
* Dackel, infos on my [[User:Killerdackel|user page]], or you can [[Special:Emailuser/Killerdackel|contact me here]]
* Conny
* Arndt, infos on my [[User:Arndot|user page]], or you can [[Special:Emailuser/Arndot|contact me here]]

==== Aachen ====
Status 2/10
* Henrik, infos on my [[User:Henrikz|user page]], or you can [[Special:Emailuser/Henrikz|contact me here]]
* David, infos on my [[User:TechnoFan|user page]], or you can [[Special:Emailuser/TechnoFan|contact me here]]

==== Düsseldorf ====
* mac2k, infos on my [[User:mac2k|user page]], or you can [[Special:Emailuser/mac2k|contact me here]]

=== Baden-Württemberg ===
==== Karlsruhe ====

Status 12/10

* 2 for André (one for me and one for a friend), you can [[Special:Emailuser/Spacemarine|contact me here]]
* [[Special:Emailuser/Dr.Nop|Dr.Nop]]
* [[Special:Emailuser/JensB|JensB]]
* [[Special:Emailuser/Tedo|Tedo]]
* 3 devices at least, [[Special:Emailuser/ZaPPaS|ZaPPaS]]

* [[Special:Emailuser/Gromgull|Gromgull]] (in Kaiserslautern, but Karlsruhe is close enough, and I doubt that I'll find 10 people here.
* [[Special:Emailuser/Ebi|Ebi]]
* [[Special:Emailuser/RIdd3r|Fabian]]
* [[Special:Emailuser/Agon|Agon]] in Stuttgart, but Karlsruhe is close enough

=== Bayern ===
==== München ====

Status 4/10

* [[Special:Emailuser/Eriks|Eriks]]
* --[[User:Imitation|Imitation]] 21:42, 30 April 2008 (CEST)
* [[Special:Emailuser/meyerm|meyerm]] 16:25 CEST, 01. Mai 2008
* [[Special:Emailuser/Koebi|koebi]] 05. Mai 2008

=== Berlin===
==== Berlin ====

for berlin-talk: http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/openmoko-berlin/

* Conrad [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Caribu Contact me here]

This group has finished its forming:
Status 10/10
* Stephan [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Fischel Contact me here]
* Robert [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Thebohemian Contact me here]
* Nico [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Nico Contact me here]
* Torsten [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Torsten_Grote Contact me here]
* Bastian [[User:Fries43]]
* Sven-Ola [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Sven-ola Contact]
* Arne [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:arnepp Contact me here]
* MM [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:MM Contact]
* Keks [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Keksdosenmann Contact]
* Matthias [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:mk Contact]

== Hungary ==
discussion here: http://hup.hu/node/54588

=== Budapest ===
Status 15/10

* Ferenc 'Lion' Veres [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/kempelen Contact]
* rka [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/rka Contact]
* tg [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/tg?wpSubject=OpenMoko%20GroupSales Contact]
* LiRul - lirul [KUKAC] hixsplit [PONT] hu
* Nyosigomboc - nyos [KUKAC] nyos [PONT] homelinux [PONT] net
* hunludvig - hunludvig [KUKAC] gmail [PONT] com
* Dániel Vásárhelyi (asd), asd [at] offtopic [dot] com
* asch, asch [KUKAC] freemail [PONT] hu
* btamas, [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/btamas Contact]
* ka87, andras [kukac] csevego [pont] net
* pcm, pcm [kukac] freemail [pont] hu
* gpiros, geza [PONT] piros [KUKAC] gmail [PONT] com
* appa, appa00 [kukac] gmail [pont] com
* pierre286, [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/pierre286 Contact]
* Hélei Zoltán, heleiz [kukac] gmail

== India ==
=== Delhi/NCR ===
Status 1/10

* Goldwyn Rodrigues [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/goldwynr Contact]

== Italy ==
If we don't reach the 10 phones limit in each city, maybe we could place an order in the "most requested city", and from shipping to other buyers. We'll have anyway a good discount although the "double-shipping". ([http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/10937/focus=10981 Read here for reference]).

=== Toscana ===
==== Firenze (e dintorni) ====
Status 8/10

* [[User:Treviño|Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]] - [http://blog.3v1n0.net/contatti-trevino/ Contacts here]
* [[User:Niccolo|Niccolo Rigacci]] - ''niccolo [AT] rigacci.org''
* [[User:pcav|Paolo Cavallini]] - ''cavallini [AT] faunalia.it''
* [[User:BiggMatt|Mattia Gentile]] - ''biggmatt@hotmail.it''
* Elisa ''[mailto:lab@kkk.it lab@kkk.it]'' (Empoli)
* [[User:Sugacapra|Sugacapra]] - alessio.chemeri [AT] gmailPUNTOcom
* [[User:tom_morello|Carlo Ascani (Morello)]] - ''carlo.ratm [AT] gmail.com''
* [[User:marrano|Stefano Burchietti (Marrano)]] - ''stefano [AT] nontelodiromai.it''

=== Lombardia ===

==== Milano e dintorni ====
Status 16/10

* Marco Crociani - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Tyrael Contacts here]
* Marcello Gorla
* Maxxer [mailto:maxxer@yetopen.it maxxer@yetopen.it] (Lecco)
* Pietro Montorfano [mailto:monto84@gmail.com monto84@gmail.com] (from como)
* Gianluigi Belli - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Pulciux Contacts here] (Milano)
* Michele Castellano - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/mubumba Contacts here] (Milano)
* Maurizio Lipreri - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Maldido Contacts here]( Como )
* Guido Conaldi - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/skepz Contacts here] (Varese)
* [[User:Furester|Igor Scabini (furester)]] -[http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Furester Contacts here] (Milano)
* Dario Panico [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Dareus Contacts here] (Busto Arsizio, VA)
* Marco Zanzotera (Milano città) - qualcuno sa indicarmi i metodi di pagamento per favore?
* Francesco Ricci (Milano, Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Informazione, via Comelico 39/41) - possibile punto di ricezione/distribuzione - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Alfa21 Contacts here]
* Danilo Sia (Birdack) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Birdack Contacts here] (Milano città)
* Federico Belvisi - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Armalite Contacts here] (Legnano, MI/Varese)
* Francesco Leserri - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Francy Contacts here] (Vimercate, MI)
* Callea Gaetano Andrea (abitazione: Melegnano oppure lavoro: Milano zona Forlanini [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Cga Contacts here] qualcuno sa indicarmi i metodi di pagamento per favore?

=== Piemonte ===
==== Torino (and province) ====
Status 5/10

* Claudio Carnino (jollyr0g3r AT gmail DOT com)
* Alessandro Degano (a.degano AT gmail DOT com)
* Enrico Pigozzi (videokill71 AT gmail DOT com)
* Max Ciavarella - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Cicchetebom Contacts here]
* Giuseppe Barbieri (elect86 at gmail dot com)
# Volendo possiamo aggiungerci al gruppo di Milano
prendendo così 2 pacchi da 10 risparmiando ulteriormente sulla spedizione e
senza aspettare per raggiungere il numero 10, perchè io potrei andare volentieri
a prenderli col treno a Milano, tornare e distribuirli a Torino, fatemi sapere ;)
Giuseppe

=== Trentino-Alto Adige ===
==== Trento (Padova too :)) ====
Status 1/10

* Andrea Debortoli (debortoland AT gmail DOT com)

=== Friuli Venezia Giulia ===
==== Trieste ====
Status: 1/10

* dorje [mailto:dorje@libero.it dorje@libero.it] - [[User:dorje|dorje]]

=== Veneto ===
Status: 7/10

==== Verona ====

* Persegat [mailto:persegat@alice.it persegat@alice.it] - [[User:Pecce|Pecce]]
* Sylar91 [mailto:sylar1991@gmail.com sylar1991@gmail.com] - [[User:Sylar91|Sylar91]]
* Marco Franceschetti - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/vonfritz Contacts here]

==== Vicenza ====

* Matteo [mailto:matteo@member.fsf.org matteo@member.fsf.org] - [[User:Tchernobog|Tchernobog]] Also Padova is okay.

==== Venezia ====

* Tommaso [mailto:tommaso.gardumi@gmail.com tommaso.gardumi@gmail.com] - [[User:Tobarello|Tobarello]] Also Padova, Vicenza & Trento are ok.

==== Treviso ====

* Dario [mailto:aliasbrain@gmail.com aliasbrain(at)gmail.com] - [[User:Rastafan|Rastafan]] one, maybe two.

* Pedro [mailto:paguilar@junkerhq.net paguilar(at)junkerhq.net] - [[User:Paguilar|Paguilar]] Also Padova and Vicenza are ok.

=== Emilia Romagna ===
==== Parma ====
Status : 2/10

* [[User:Delian|Marco Albanese]] [mailto:delian2@gmail.com delian2@gmail.com] For Me, it's ok for the decentralized shipment ( Milano for example :) ).

* [[User:Jordano|Marco Grassi]] marco.gra AT Gmail Dot com Also for me it's ok the decentralized shipping.

=== Puglia ===
==== Lecce ====
Status : 2/10

* [[User:Morpheus90|Morpheus90]] [mailto:ugopiemontese@rudiaelinux.com ugopiemontese@rudiaelinux.com]
* [[User:Italyanker|italyanker]] [mailto:italyanker@gmail.com italyanker@gmail.com]

==== Bari ====
Status : 2/10

* [[User:Fradeve11|Fradeve11]] [mailto:fradeve@ubuntu-it.org fradeve@ubuntu-it.org]

=== Campania ===
==== Caserta (and province) ====
Status 1/10

* fenoxxx [mailto:fenoxxx@gmail.com] - Aversa

=== Lazio ===
==== Roma ====
Status 7/10

* Hire X 2 [mailto:hiretto@gmail.com hiretto@gmail.com] (Roma)
* Darkbasic X 1 [mailto:darkbasic4(at)gmail darkbasic4(at)gmail] (Ancona)
* zione X 1 [mailto:alessio.filipponio@gmail.com alessio.filipponio@gmail.com](Roma)
* AntoMan X 1 (Roma) Inserisci un contatto di posta elettronica o non potremo contattarti al momento dell'acquisto!
* Christian X 1(Gino46) [mailto:christian.marzola@alice.it] (ferrara) Qualcuno me lo dovrebbe spedire.
* Tempix X 1 [mailto:tempix11@gmail.com tempix11@gmail.com] (Ancona)

=== Liguria ===
==== Genova ====
Status 8/10

* Luca Maranzano X 1 (liuk AT linux DOT it) [[User:liuk|liuk]]
* Francesco Frassinelli X 2 (frafra AT autistici DOT org) [[User:Frafra|Frafra]]
* Stefano Cutelle' X 1 (staff@ascservices.it) [[User:ascservices|ascservices]]
* Luca Arrigo X 1 (morph84@gmail.com) [[User:morph|morph]]
* Andrea De Gaetano X 1 (dega1999 AT gmail DOT com) [[User:Dega1999|Dega1999]]
* Salvo Schiavone X 1 (salvoschiavone AT gmail DOT com [[User:Salvador|Salvador]]
* Daniele Delmonte X1 (ryogazero chiocciola yahoo punto it)

=== Sicilia ===
==== Palermo ====
Status 4/10

* Giorgio Marciano' X 1 [mailto:giorgio.marciano@email.it giorgio.marciano@email.it]
* Michele Puccio X 1 [mailto:puccio@eng.it michele]
* Roberto Calandra X 1 [mailto:isokazi@yahoo.it roberto]
* Vincenzo Moreno Luna X 1 [mailto:ciop85plus@hotmail.com vincenzo]

==== Messina ====
Status 4/10

* Melug X 4 [mailto:melug@messinalug.org MeLug]

=== Calabria ===
==== Catanzaro ====
Status 1/10

* Carlo Mangani X 1 [mailto:carlo.mangani@gmail.com carlo.mangani@gmail.com] - Lamezia Terme

== Macedonia ==
=== Skopje ===
* Kristijan Krsteski 1/10 [[User:neutrino]] [mailto:kristijan.krsteski@gmail.com]
===Status ===
1/10

== México ==
=== Ciudad de México ===
* Kozapatista [[Special:Emailuser/User:kozapatista|Contact]]
===Status ===
1/10

== [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#The_Netherlands The Netherlands] ==
(Discuss this group sale on the [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#The_Netherlands talk page])

* Marijn Kruisselbrink 1 [[Special:Emailuser/User:mkruisselbrink|Contact]]
* Andy Powell 1/10 [[Special:Emailuser/User:ScaredyCat|Contact]]
* Arjan Veenstra 1/10 [[User:AVee]] [[Special:Emailuser/User:AVee|Contact]]

=== Gelderland ===

==== Nijkerk ====
* [[User:Nicolas|Nico Veenkamp]] (Nijkerk 1x) [[Special:Emailuser/User:Nicolas|Contact]]

==== Nijmegen ====
* [[User:A.dre|André Disselhorst]] (Nijmegen 1x) [[Special:Emailuser/User:A.dre|Contact]]

=== Limburg ===

==== Griendtsveen ====
* [[User:KenSentMe|Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]] (Griendtsveen 1x) [[Special:Emailuser/User:KenSentMe|Contact]]

=== Noord-Brabant ===

==== Bergen op Zoom ====
* [[User:Madjo|Marcel de Jong]] 1/10 [[Special:Emailuser/User:Madjo|Contact]]

==== Eindhoven ====
* Christ van Willegen 1 [[User:ChristW]]

=== Noord Holland ===

==== Amsterdam ====
* Michel van Horssen 1/10 [[Special:Emailuser/User:mivaho|Contact]]
* Frank Richter 1 [[Special:Emailuser/User:res|Contact]]
* Eric Smith 1/10 [[User:Eric Smith]]
==== Beverwijk ====
* Theo Martens 1x [[Special:Emailuser/User:T_M|Contact]]

==== Bussum ====
* Remco van Zuijlen 1x [[Special:Emailuser/User:Remco|Contact]]

=== Overijssel ===

==== Deventer ====
* Jan de Haan 1/10 [[User:Jan de Haan]] [[Special:Emailuser/User:Jan de Haan|Contact]]

==== Hengelo ====
* Sander Hoentjen 1/10 [[Special:Emailuser/User:Tjikkun|Contact]]
* Peter Hageman 1 [[Special:Emailuser/User:PingPong|Contact]]

==== Zwolle ====
* Boudewijn 1/10 [[User:Boudewijn|empty user page]] [[Special:Emailuser/User:Boudewijn|Contact]]; possibly got a second person interested

=== Zuid-Holland ===

==== Rijswijk ====
* Fernando Martins 1x [[User:fmartins]] [[Special:Emailuser/User:fmartins|Contact]]

=== Utrecht ===

==== Utrecht ====
* Eric Spierings 1/10 [[Special:Emailuser/User:ericsp|Contact]]
* Peter van de Werken 2/10 [[Special:Emailuser/User:PWerken|Contact]]

=== Status ===
20/20

== New Zealand ==
As Telecom are using the 850MHz network for their GSM network, and Vodafone/northelia (possibly aka orcon) are using 900/1800MHz, please state which version you want. This may need more research, I'm not 100%; see [http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_nz.shtml] for more info 
According to jeremy list, telecom will not be rolling out GSM for four years, so the point becomes moot - no-one is likely to get an 850 gsm phone now and wait that long 

Based on info from steve (openmoko marketing) concerning weight and size, shipping via UPS will be about US$185 (NZ$23 each phone) to Auckland. 
UPS are far from the cheapest, but (again according to steve), OM have a contract with them, so this is what we are stuck with 

Someone on the community list suggested using [http://www.myus.com], a shipping company that will re-post items overseas at decent rates. They claim US$66 for a 3kg package, or NZ$8 per phone. Of course, the cost of shipping the phone from OM to the shipping company has to be added in as well.

As of 2008-04-28, US$399 is worth NZ$508

import duty on mobile phones is 0%[http://www.customs.govt.nz/importers/Private+Importers/Customs+Charges.htm], and GST is 12.5% so the GST added to each phone will be NZ$66; 12.5% * {508 + 23), cos we pay GST on postage too...

So, the total cost of a Freerunner as part of a 10 pack, will be: 
508 + 23 + 66 
= 597 

+ any possible charges to get it posted elsewhere in New Zealand

=== Auckland ===
==== Auckland ====
Status:10/10
*Rob Paulson [[User:Myfanwy]] 900MHz
**i'm quite happy to organise the purchase, if no-one has any objections. to ease any worries about me running off with the money, we could use an escrow service such as [http://safetrader.co.nz], or paypal. or does anyone have any other ideas?
*Simon Wells [[User:Swel024]]
*Jeremy List [[User:Jeremy-list]] mailto:quick.dudley@gmail.com (Wellington, not Auckland, will pay for courier)
*David Murrell [[User:Viddy]] - [mailto:dmurrell@waikato.ac.nz] I'm in Hamilton, either courier, or I'll drive up :)
*Jeremy Gray [[User:Bogdan237]] [mailto:jgra163@ec.auckland.ac.nz] Auckland, 900MHz
*Glen Ogilvie [[User:Nelg]] {mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz] Auckland, 900MHz
*Xuân Baldauf [[User:xbaldauf]] {mailto:xuan--2008.05--GroupSales--wiki.openmoko.org@baldauf.org] Auckland CBD, 900MHz+1800MHz GSM. This is conditional: the transaction must complete by 2008-06-30, else I cannot participate, because I'm leaving the country afterwards.
*Paul Roe [[User:Par08]] [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Par08 contact me here] Christchurch, 2 x 900MHz
*Dave Lane [[User:dangerpossum]] [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/dangerpossum contact] Christchurch, 1 x 900MHz + 1800MHz GSM

== Norway ==
=== Nordland ===
==== Bodø ====
Status 2/10

* [[User:AlecTBM|Alexander Frøyseth]] [mailto:alexander.froyseth@gmail.com alexander.froyseth@gmail.com]
* Ole Marius
* Stian Vading

=== Sør-Trøndelag ===
==== Trondheim ====
Status 12/20

*[[User:andy000|Andreas Kalvå]] [mailto:andy@samfundet.no andy@samfundet.no]
Send mail om du er interessert.

=== Østlandet ===
==== Oslo, Akershus, Buskerud, Vestfold ====
Status 20/20(30?)

* [[User:Ixian|Heikki Sørum]] [mailto:heikkis@matnat.uio.no] Interessert? mail meg.
* [[User:Bobkare|Knut Arne Bjørndal]] [mailto:bob@cakebox.net]
* [[User:Arildh|Arild Hellstrøm]] [mailto:arild.hellstrom@getmail.no]

== Poland ==
=== dolnośląskie ===
==== Wrocław ====

* Special group buy site: https://www.kumulator.pl/show/group/35

=== Podlaskie ===
==== Suwalki ====
Status 1/10
* arteqw [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Arteqw contact with me]

=== Wielkopolskie ===
==== Poznań ====
Status 1/10
* dos [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/dos contact with me (please, in polish :))]

== Portugal ==
=== Aveiro ===
==== Aveiro ====
Status : 2/10

* [[User:Ruben|Ruben Mendes]]
* [[User:kuyky|Tiago Saraiva]] [mailto:destructhor88@gmail.pt]

== Sweden ==
If insufficient number of people, orders could be merged and remailed perhaps.

Domestic remailing with Posten as A-class mail of a letter (criteria: length+width+height max 900 mm) weighing max 1 kg, without insurance should [http://www.posten.se/foretag/vara_tjanster/postageguide/postguideLetterDom.jspv cost 44 SEK]. 50 SEK more for insurance.

If we end up with more than one 10-pack in Sweden, my guess is that it would probably pay to order everything in one shipment to one address in Sweden to save on the international shipping, and then remail domestically.

=== Götaland ===
==== Göteborg ====

* [[User:Fwendt|Fredrik Wendt]] [[Special:Emailuser/Fwendt|Contact]]/wendt.se

==== Malmö ====
Status : 1/10

* Lars Jarlvik mailto:lars@larsfactory.se

=== Svealand ===
==== Stockholm ====
Status : 5/10

* Erland Lewin mailto:erland@lewin.nu
* Simon Kågström mailto:simon.kagstrom@gmail.com
* Ingvaldur Sigurjonsson mailto:ingi@ultimalabor.se
* Adam Johansson mailto:adam@sollentunaholm.se
* Lowe Schmidt mailto:lowe.schmidt@gmail.com

==== Örebro ====
Status : 1/10

* Anders Petersson [mailto:demitar@worldforge.org demitar@worldforge.org]

==== Västerås ====
Status : 1/10
* Jörgen Lidholm, could join the Falun/Borlänge or Stockholm group [mailto:jorgen.lidholm@gmail.com]

==== Falun & Borlänge ====
Status : 4/10

* [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Jth Johan Thelmén], Åke Hoff & a demo/backup
* [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:eagle87 Pär Eriksson], Borlänge

=== Norrland ===
==== Umeå ====
Status : 2/10

* [[User:Zash|Zash]] [[Special:Emailuser/Zash|Contact]]
* [[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] [[Special:Emailuser/Benjamin|Contact]]

==== Luleå ====
Status : 2/10

* [[User:Mjukis|Mjukis]] [[Special:Emailuser/Mjukis|Contact]] - 2 Units. Can also join the Malmö group order.

== Switzerland ==
Gabriel Ambuehl would volunteer to order the initial 10pack.
Alexandre Ghisoli could organize the second 10pack.
Luca Capello could organize the third 10pack (mostly for French Switzerland).
All the three with payment in advance (a 10pack will cost approx 3'800 USD).

Probably we will organize shipping, if we cannot all move to Zürich/Genève to get our Neo.

==== Shipping ====
If we would ship Neos, here is the Swiss PostPac prices :

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2"
! Description
! Size [cm]
! Price CHF TTC
|-
| Size 1
| 22.9 x 14.7 x 9.9
| 2.20
|-
| Size 2
| 31.5 x 22.5 x 12.5
| 2.40
|-
| Shipping Priority
| up to 2Kg
| 8.-
|-
| Shipping Economy
| up to 2Kg
| 6.-
|}

 

Steve posted informations about boxes that will be out with Neo :

* 10 pack : 435mm x 371mm x 119mm, approx 3kg, UPS will charge 160USD (need to be verified)
* Individual pack : 178mm x 104mm x 84mm, 237 grams

So size 1 will fit ! Local delivery in Switzerland will cost 8.20 for Economy or 10.20 Priority.

==== Zurich ====
Status : 23/20

It seems that while there are 22 people listed here, actually the device number is 23, because Tobias Kündig is interested in 2 of them. This means that the total number of devices for Swiss people is 28 (23 for Zürich plus 5 for Genève). Someone in the Zürich list, specifically those living in the French Switzerland, could be part of the Genève 10pack, which I volunteer to order. This means that only 2 devices are missing for a complete 3rd 10pack! -- LucaCapello -- updated by FreeMind -- updated again by LucaCapello

* Simon Wenner [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Nowic Contact]
* Simon Schreiber [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Magbeat Contact]
* Markus Huggler [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Magbeat Contact]
* Andre Timmermann [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/darktim Contact]
* Raffael Schmid [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/darktim Contact]
* Pascal Weller [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/darktim Contact]
* Nick Zbinden (Luzern) [mailto:nickik@gmx.ch] oder [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/nickik Contact]
* Marcel Wirth [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Skarhand Contact]
* Marcel Lütolf (Luzern) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/NeRo Contact]
* Christian Corrodi [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Matto Contact]
* Mirko Klingauf [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/RealAtaman Contact]
* Marcel Jost (Bern) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Onsonic Contact]
* Alexandre Ghisoli (Yverdon) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Agh Contact]
* Marc Andre Tanner (Biel) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/mat Contact]
* Tobias Kündig (2 Geräte) (Luzern) [mailto:info@it-media.ch]
* Peter Salvisberg [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Psal Contact]
* Robin Farine (Auvernier) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/rfarine Contact]
* Martin Kos [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/KoS Contact]
* Lorenz Schori (Bern) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Znerol Contact]
* Jonas Schwarz (Lausanne) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/jnsc Contact]
* Matthias Cramer (Zürich) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/cramer Contact]
* Pascal Mages (Bern/Zürich) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/FreeMind Contact]

==== Geneve ====
Status : 6/10

* Diego Abelenda [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Aelia Contact]
* Luca Capello [mailto:luca@pca.it]
* Nicolas Produit [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Produit Contact]
* Gulu (Lausanne) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Gulu Contact]
* Edomaur (Lausanne) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Edomaur Contact]
* Sebastien Nanchen [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Sn Contact]

== Spain ==
=== Spain (Country Group Sale) ===
Status: 6/10

=== Madrid ===
==== Madrid ====
Status : 1/10

* Rafael Campos [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Methril Contact]

=== Zaragoza ===
==== Zaragoza ====
Status : 2/10

* Alejandro R. Mosteo alejandro AT mosteo · com
* Arturo Giner [[Special:Emailuser/artginer|Contact]]

=== Barcelona ===
==== Barcelona ====
Status : 3/10

* José Luis Pérez [[Special:Emailuser/jluis|Contact]]
* David Reyes Samblas Martinez [[Special:Emailuser/mutrox|Contact]]
* Sergio Arias [[Special:Emailuser/saerguio|Contact]]

== UAE ==
Status: 1/10
* Yaser Ammar [[Special:Emailuser/Waraqa|Contact]]

== USA ==
=== Colorado ===
==== Denver (Full) ====
Status: 10/10 (includes the gentleman from Utah)
* Shawn Sullivan [[mailto:shelbydz87@yahoo.com shelbydz87@yahoo.com]]
* Peter Abplanalp [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/alderion Contact]
* Ben Burdette [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Ansible Contact]
* Tom Russell [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/tazbert Contact]
* Trace [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/gnork Contact]

=== California ===
==== Los Angeles ====
Status: 4/10

* Ian Douglas [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Iandouglas Contact me here]
* Matthew [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Wetmoko Contact]
* Daniel [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Beaker82 Contact]
* James Robertson [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/JamesRobertson Contact]

==== San Diego ====
'''(inc. San Diego county and surrounding areas)'''

Status: 1/10

Will combine with LA if too few.

* Peter Naulls [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Pnaulls Contact]

==== San Francisco Bay Area ====
Status: 4/10

* Ajit Natarajan - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/ajitk Contact]

* Dirk Bergstrom - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/krid Contact]

* Tupshin Harper - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/tupshin Contact]

* Lothar Werzinger (900MHz) - [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Elektrolott Contact]

==== Monterey ====
Status: 2/10

* Cry Regarder [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Cry_Regarder Contact]

=== Midwest ===
'''(combine Indiana / Iowa / Kentucky / Tennesee / Texas)'''
Status: 6/10
* Geoff Ruscoe [[Special:Emailuser/Geocode|Contact]] - Louisville, KY
* Steven M [[Special:Emailuser/Montgoss|Contact]] - Cedar Rapids, IA
* Joseph Booker [[Special:Emailuser/Sargas|Contact]] - Chicago
* Bryan DeLuca [[Special:Emailuser/Stupkid|Contact]] - Fort Worth, TX
* Casey Harkins [[Special:Emailuser/Charkins|Contact]] - Madison, WI
* Matt McCormick [[Special:Emailuser/Thewtex|Contact]] - Madison, WI

=== Indiana / Kentucky ===
Status: 4/10
* Dan Staley [[Special:Emailuser/Pyrasi|Contact]] (Kentucky)
* Donnie Jones [[Special:Emailuser/Donniejones18|Contact]] (Lexington, KY)
* John Sterling [[Special:Emailuser/Sterling|Contact]] (Lexington, KY)

=== Ohio / Michigan ===
Status: 3/10
* David Pais (Unknown City) [mailto:davioh2001@yahoo.com email]
* Dave Ludlow (Toledo) (I can purchase and distribute) [[Special:Emailuser/adsllc|Contact]]
* Adam Steele (Cincinnati) [mailto:adam@laurasteele.net Contact]

=== Washington ===
==== Seattle ====
Status: 1/10
* Jon Pomeroy [[Special:Emailuser/Jepomeroy|Contact]]

=== Tennessee ===
==== Memphis ====
Status: 1/10
* Peter O'Connor [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/poconnor Contact]

=== Texas ===
==== Austin (8/10) ====
* Dale Schumacher [[Special:Emailuser/dalnefre|Contact]]
* Michael Cosby [[Special:Emailuser/mcosby|Contact]]
* Paul Jimenez [[Special:Emailuser/pj|Contact]]
* Charles [[Special:Emailuser/rbn|Contact]]
* Anthony Kitchin [[Special:Emailuser/akitchin|Contact]]
* Carl [[Special:Emailuser/texatopia|Contact]]
* Robert [[Special:Emailuser/SHaRK|Contact]] (Houston)
* Bryan DeLuca [[Special: Emailuser/Stupkid|Contact]] (Fort Worth)

==== Dallas (1/10) ====
* Philip White [[Special:Emailuser/pmw|Contact]]

=== Mid-Atlantic ===
==== Virginia====
===== Virginia Tech (1/10) =====
* Lally Singh [[Special:Emailuser/lally|email]] -- yeah, if you're ordering anywhere in VA, lemme know. 
===== Richmond (2/10)=====
* Philippe Gerard [[Special:Emailuser/feydreva|Contact]] 
*Steve Watson mailto:ssw0213@gmail.com 

==== New York ====
Status: 2/10 or 3/10

* Bert Hartmann [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/BertHartm Contact me here]
* Michael Cole mailto:mjcole137@gmail.com 
* Jake Thebault-Spieker (probably, may not be able to afford it) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/Spcial:Emailuser/Summatusmentis Contact me here]

==== Maryland (2/10)====
* Paul Buede mailto:paul@buede.com 
* Charles Lohr
* Alex (DC/Rosslyn; not 100% sure that will be able to afford it) [[Special:Emailuser/rakukin|Contact]]

=== Massachusetts ===
Status: 4/10
* Benjamin Moody [[Special:Emailuser/FloppusMaximus|Contact]]

* Ken Young (Note, if we're not up to 10/10 on the day the Freerunner is announced, I'm going to drop out and order individually).[[Special:Emailuser/Dolson|Contact]]

* Chris White (for 2) [[Special:Emailuser/Safire|Contact]]

=== Nevada ===
==== Reno/Sparks ====
Including Northwestern Nevada/ Northeastern California
Status: 1/10
* Tyrell Berry [[Special:Emailuser/Alawatsakima|Contact]]

== UK ==

* Stroller (Milton Keynes, can travel) mailto:stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk 01908 663 513. Thinks that breaking the UK up into regions - at least outside London - is silly. There are unlikely to be 10 people in $your_town who want a Freerunner, so some posting of Freerunners will surely be required; see [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#Oxford the talk page]. This is the same cost anywhere in the UK.

=== Scotland ===
==== Edinburgh ====
Status : 3/10

* Joe Wells (Edinburgh) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/jbw Contact]
* Dave Ball (Edinburgh) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Daveb Contact]
* Stuart MacKinnon(Livingston) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/hoagster Contact]

=== England ===

==== Hampshire ====

http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FreerunnerBulkBuy

(Sorry, we set up the page before we knew about this one)

==== London ====

Status : 7/10

* Juergen Schinker mailto:ba1020@homie.homelinux.net
* aled [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/aled Contact]
* Robert Piasek (actually in Southampton) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Queen6 Contact]
* Tom Scholl (Cambridge, travel to London now and then anyway so could pick up) [mailto:thomasscholl@gmail.com]
* Weiss (Cambridge, could collect from London) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Weiss Contact]
* Neil Bentley (in Wiltshire) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Ohnez Contact]
* rhn (one or two sets) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/rhn Contact]

==== Oxford ====

Idea to re-ship within the UK, see [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:GroupSales#Oxford talk]

Status : 3/10

* Tim Coggins [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/sonicated Contact]

* James Olney [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Webjames Contact]
* David Pottage (actually in Reading) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/chrestomanci Contact]

==== West Midlands ====
Status : 3/10

* Mo Abrahams (Walsall) mailto:moabrahams@dashavoo.com
* Bin Zong (actually in Birmingham) [mailto:hunter_00zb@hotmail.com]
* Jonathan Spooner (Walsall)

== Latvia ==
=== Riga ===
==== Riga ====
Status : 1/10
* Ilya [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/VRGhost Contact]

== Singapore ==
Status : 2/10
* Wee Kiam Peng [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Jipi Contact]
* Chen Ruo Fei [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Crf Contact]

== Israel==
Status : 2/10
* Ofer Herman [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/oferhe Contact]
* [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Talba Talba]

== Czech Republic ==
=== Brno ===
Status : 11/10
* '''*'''Martin Šenkeřík - [[Special:Emailuser/ohin|Contact]]
Jakmile budu mít nějaké konkrétnější informace budu vás kontaktovat. Mám ale problém s financováním všech 10 telefonů při objednávání. Buď budu potřebovat, aby mně aspoň půlka z vás poslala peníze předem, nebo kdyby se našel někdo, kdo mně může se zafinancováním pomoct (zaplatil by půlku telefonů a ty be se potom rozeslaly na dobírku nebo předaly osobně) tak se můžeme sejít osobně. Vyskytuji se v Brně a ve Zlíně.
* '''*'''Radek Bartoň - [[Special:Emailuser/Blackhex|Contact]] (Preferuju osobní odběr v Brně, můžu dovézt do Frýdku-Místku.)
* Martin Holec - [[Special:Emailuser/Martix|Contact]] (Buď přeposlat směrem Zlín nebo osobní odběr někde v Brně.)
* '''*'''Jozef Mlich - [[Special:Emailuser/joejoe|Contact]]
* Radek Machulka - [[Special:Emailuser/Werty|Contact]] (ja teda taky nejsem z Brna, ale klidne si pro to prijedu...)
* '''*'''Tom Varga - [[Special:Emailuser/Varg|Contact]] (Můžu dělat spojku pro Prahu / Liberecko)
* '''*'''Aleš Dvořák - [[Special:Emailuser/Setr|Contact]] - contact uz funguje
* '''*'''Pavel Kovář - [[Special:Emailuser/Fox|Contact]] (Tak to vypadá že si udělám výlet do Zlína)
* '''*'''David Kozub - [[Special:Emailuser/Zub|Contact]] (Zlin, idealni by byla Praha, ale evidentne jsem sam, prinejhorsim i to Brno)
* '''*'''Miloslav Machotka - [[Special:Emailuser/Machy|Contact]]
* '''*'''Michal Pěnka - [http://michal.penka.name/kontakt Contact] (Podle komentářů bych poprosil Tomáše Varga, aby mi Openmoko zavezl do Prahy, jinak preferuji dobírku, přinejhorším pro to zajedu i do Brna.)

['''*''']platím předem

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'''Diskuze:'''

Máme tu 4x ze Zlína, co kdyby někdo jel do Brna pro 4ks a ve Zlíně by se rozdělili?

''Martin Šenkeřík''> jak jsem psal, já do Zlína jezdívám, a od května do září budu ve Zlíně velmi často, takže se Zlínem není vůbec problém.

Jinak už se objevily nějaké termíny. Jestli jsem to dobře pochopil, tak 9.5. by už mohla začít masová výroba a brzy na to by měl začít prodej...

''Pavel Kovář''>> Jak by měl vlastně vypadat? Takový ten bíly se mně moc nelíbí. Radši bych měl [http://http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:FIC-neo1973_small.jpg černý].

''Michal Pěnka''> Protože jsem jedenáctý a nevím, jestli bude možné objednat 11 kusů nebo jen po desítkách, domluvím se s Tomem Vargou později (jestli by byl ochotný pro převoz do Prahy), každopádně bych také raději ten černý.

''Pavel Kovář''>> Jak to tak tady pročítám tak to půjde objednat za zvýhodněnou cenu (+pytlík? a headset) opravdu jenom po desítkách. Ale IMHO když této stránce zvedneme popularitu (případně přiberem Slováky) tak jich budem nakonec brát minimálně dvacet ;) Mně osobně připadá datum 9.5. hodně optimistické.

''Martin Šenkeřík''> FreeRunner bude pouze v jedné barevné variantě, a to černý. To datum 9.5. mám [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates odsud]

== Slovak Republic ==
=== Bratislava ===
Status : 1/10
* František Horínek - [[Special:Emailuser/PipBoy2000|Contact]]

== Croatia ==
Status : 6/10
* w00t - [[Special:Emailuser/W00t|Contact]]
* matija - [[Special:Emailuser/Matija.z|Contact]]
* valajbeg - [[Special:Emailuser/valajbeg|Contact]]
* kost - [[Special:Emailuser/kost|Contact]]
* mnalis - [[Special:Emailuser/mnalis|Contact]]
* tcavrag - [[Special:Emailuser/tcavrag|Contact]]
(maybe we should make one group for bosnia, croatia & serbia together?) [http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Talk:GroupSales#Croatia the talk page]
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